Gannett’s USA Today began publishing its daily newspapers in Washington, D.C., and I have always been proud of the publication and have praised it. I believed it was one of the finest newspapers in the United States, if not the world; and I have been pleased with its success. I have encouraged friends, business associates, and acquaintances to read it because of what I believed was objective reporting, or certainly very close to it.
However, I was rudely awakened by its recent series of articles about John F. Kennedy and his family, which were a travesty and a lie.[2] Sadly, USA Today has become a participant in the deliberate distortion of history. There was not merely one isolated article about the Kennedys, but it was an unprecedented series—which made matters far worse and even more irresponsible. Whoever approved the series should be fired immediately. Wholesale distortions of history by a mainstream publication such as this one warrant and, in fact, demand nothing less.
John F. Kennedy was a fraud, pure and simple. When he died, his “image” was frozen in time, but the truth is grotesque. To lionize him like USA Today has done is a crime, and unconscionable. The once-excellent and seemingly objective USA Today has reached new lows by publishing this series about Kennedy—which is the moral equivalent of running a praiseworthy series of articles about Adolf Hitler or Joseph Stalin.
USA Today failed to mention that John F. Kennedy was possibly the most morally corrupt and reckless president in American history, who came tragically close to bringing about a “nuclear winter” that might have destroyed the United States and other parts of the world. Also, he plunged America into the Vietnam war. USA Today’s entire series would fall like a “house of cards” if the truth about Kennedy and his family had been told, instead of repeating the factual distortions that have been spun since he was assassinated in Dallas.
There have been two outstanding books written about Kennedy and his life, and that of his family: American historian Thomas C. Reeves’ “A Question of Character: A Life of John F. Kennedy”[3] and Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist Seymour M. Hersh’s “The Dark Side of Camelot.”[4] First published in 1997, Hersh’s book is a companion to Reeves’ equally fine book, which was published in the same year. To have two truly outstanding books introduced at the same time, on the same subject, is interesting unto itself.
Like Reeves, Hersh laid bare the myth of “Camelot” for all to see. The Kennedy family and its sycophants have attempted to perpetrate that myth since the day Kennedy was shot—as well as myths surrounding the entire family, which is surely the most dysfunctional family ever to achieve significant political power in American history. Indeed, after reading both books, one wonders whether there was anything decent or moral about the family, certainly the male Kennedys.
Unlike Reeves, Hersh does not mention Ted Kennedy’s culpability in the tragic death of Mary Jo Kopechne in 1969, just as she was about to celebrate her 29th birthday, and the ensuing Kennedy cover-up. Similarly, Hersh makes scant mention of Marilyn Monroe, with whom both JFK and, after him, Bobby Kennedy had affairs, nor does Hersh discuss the possibility that she was murdered. Instead, he discusses JFK’s long-time relationship with Judith Campbell Exner, as well as his affair with an East German “prostitute” by the name of Ellen Rometsch.
Kennedy’s reckless affairs with women were only outdone by his irresponsible and dangerous relationships with mobsters such as Chicago crime boss Sam Giancana. These two character flaws merged when both Kennedy and Giancana had sexual liaisons with Exner, who was used as their go-between. Indeed, it is doubtful whether Kennedy would have become the president-elect in 1960 if the Mob had not helped him in Illinois and West Virginia—and Giancana claimed credit for that. Kennedy was the son of a bootlegger, and the apple did not fall far from the tree, with respect to all three Kennedy brothers who entered national politics.
The thread that runs through the writing of Reeves and Hersh, and through JFK’s life, is utter recklessness—which not only endangered his life, but the lives of those with whom he came into contact, and every American. Perhaps the most vivid example is the “Cuban Missile Crisis” that Hersh documents in considerable detail, which might have been averted if JFK and Bobby had used their back-channel communications effectively with the Soviet Union’s Nikita Khrushchev and the Kremlin.
Those Americans who believed in JFK, as yours truly did[6]—and to a lesser extent in Bobby—were deceived and disillusioned with respect to almost every issue. The public perception bears almost no relationship to the actual facts. Indeed, thirty-four years after his death, the American people finally learned the truth about JFK (and his “hatchet man,” Bobby) from these two books and other sources. Even then, as Hersh describes in considerable detail, Kennedy operatives may have destroyed large amounts of historically-important documents.
Vast numbers of documents are still held by the Kennedy Library with respect to both JFK and Bobby, which have never been made available to the public. This is a scandal unto itself. Not the least of these are medical records about JFK’s health, which have only been reviewed by a handful of Kennedy “sycophant-like” writers. Almost 50 years after Kennedy’s death, the full extent of his life-long medical problems is still being withheld from the American people and conservative scholars, and Reeves recounts many of those problems.
The failed “Bay of Pigs” invasion of Cuba, where Fidel Castro humiliated JFK and “the Kennedys,” led to almost 50 years of enslavement for the Cuban people, and repeated attempts by the two Kennedy brothers to have Castro assassinated. This fiasco has potential relevance today—with respect to the presidency of Barack Obama—because, as Hersh describes, there was a “prevailing sense that Kennedy could do no wrong.”[7] In fact, the Kennedy brothers ignored advice from the CIA and the military; and like Lyndon Johnson vis-à-vis later stages of the Vietnam war, they ran the “show” themselves and then tried to blame others when it failed colossally.
Ample mention has been made of JFK’s perpetual “thirst” for women. Indeed, the three Kennedy brothers, Jack, Bobby and Ted, trashed what was sacred in their Catholic religion, such as the sanctity of marriages. For them, nothing seemed sacred, ever. Hersh uses statements from Secret Service agents to describe the president’s penchant for prostitutes, and how they and other women were “procured” by Dave Powers and some of Kennedy’s other “New Frontiersmen.” Jackie Kennedy’s travels were carefully monitored so that she would not return to find the president and women “frolicking” in the White House swimming pool or in the family quarters.
What went on in hotels and private homes, wherever JFK traveled, is described as well. The book also discusses JFK’s venereal disease(s)[8]; and the risks that he and Powers took by cavorting with women who had been waived through routine Secret Service checks without prior clearances, and who might have carried weapons, listening devices, drugs or something similar.
There is no question that Kennedy launched this nation into Vietnam; and his secretary of defense, Robert McNamara, was the architect of that lost war and the enormous suffering that it produced. Almost 60,000 brave Americans died, some of whom were my friends; and it impaled this nation’s honor on the horns of a tragedy that still haunts policy makers and citizens alike. What was not known generally until Hersh’s book is that JFK “had a chance in 1961 to disengage from an American involvement in South Vietnam.”[9] Instead, he chose to go to war, and to spend the blood of young Americans. Hersh states, again emphatically: “Whatever Jack Kennedy’s intentions were, Vietnam was his war, even after his death.”[10]
Hersh describes the constant pressure especially on CIA operatives, which was brought by JFK and Bobby, to have foreign leaders such as Castro killed. Mob operatives were used with Bobby’s knowledge and involvement, even though as the U.S. Attorney General he was ostensibly prosecuting the Mob. The family patriarch Joseph P. Kennedy’s ties to the Mob are detailed, as well as his ruthlessness and penchant for women. JFK’s first marriage to Durie Malcolm is also described, and his father’s efforts to expunge the record.
Hersh discusses how Bobby and Jackie believed that JFK was struck down by a “domestic conspiracy,” probably involving Mob boss Giancana or others.[11] However, Hersh states: “Robert Kennedy did nothing to pursue the truth behind his brother’s death [in 1963]. . . . The price of a full investigation was much too high: making public the truth about President Kennedy and the Kennedy family. It was this fear, certainly, that kept Robert Kennedy from testifying before the Warren Commission.”[12] Aside from prostitutes and other women, and close Mafioso ties and health issues, and the presidential election in 1960 that was stolen from Richard M. Nixon, Hersh details “cash payments” that JFK requested and received—which monies were ostensibly used to buy Ellen Rometsch’s “silence.”
A footnote in history, perhaps, but a very important one is that JFK hurt his back cavorting in a West Coast swimming pool. He was “forced to wear a stiff brace that stretched from his shoulders to his crotch.” As Hersh concludes: “The brace would keep the president upright for the bullets of Lee Harvey Oswald.”[13] Hence, JFK’s sexual escapades may have contributed to his tragic death.
Today, Kennedy is not someone to look up to, much less deify, as many of us thought when he was president. That conclusion was reached reluctantly by lots of Americans, years ago, with a sense of sadness rather than anger. Like the potentate in Hans Christian Andersen’s fairy tale, “The Emperor’s New Clothes,” the myth about Kennedy and his feet of clay have become clear for all to see with the passage of time.[14]
Greatness is often achieved in times of war, and Kennedy never won the war with Cuba, much less the Vietnam war that he started, nor did he win the Cold War—which Ronald Reagan and George H.W. Bush won. Kennedy was a tragic Shakespearean figure who may be forgotten and consigned to the dustheap of history, in no small part because of the question of character that both Reeves and Hersh described brilliantly in their terrific books.
USA Today’s series of articles extolling the virtues of Kennedy and his family are shameful, and constitute the gross distortion of history. Indeed, they seem to represent yet another attempt by America’s discredited Left to glorify its politicians, regardless of how corrupt and immoral they may be.
Few young Americans even know who John F. Kennedy was—or care about him—because less than a handful of his positive accomplishments had any lasting significance. Like former President William McKinley before him, the fact that an assassin cut short Kennedy’s life and presidency might be all that Americans recall about him 50 years from now.[15]
© 2010, Timothy D. Naegele
[1] Timothy D. Naegele was counsel to the United States Senate’s Committee on Banking, Housing, and Urban Affairs, and chief of staff to Presidential Medal of Freedom and Congressional Gold Medal recipient and former U.S. Senator Edward W. Brooke (R-Mass). He practices law in Washington, D.C. and Los Angeles with his firm, Timothy D. Naegele & Associates, which specializes in Banking and Financial Institutions Law, Internet Law, Litigation and other matters (see www.naegele.com and http://www.naegele.com/naegele_resume.html). He has an undergraduate degree in economics from UCLA, as well as two law degrees from the School of Law (Boalt Hall), University of California, Berkeley, and from Georgetown University. He is a member of the District of Columbia and California bars. He served as a Captain in the U.S. Army, assigned to the Defense Intelligence Agency at the Pentagon, where he received the Joint Service Commendation Medal. Mr. Naegele is an Independent politically; and he is listed in Who’s Who in America, Who’s Who in American Law, and Who’s Who in Finance and Business. He has written extensively over the years (see, e.g., http://www.naegele.com/whats_new.html#articles), and can be contacted directly at tdnaegele.associates@gmail.com
[2] See http://specials.usatoday.com/jfk/
[3] See http://www.amazon.com/Question-Character-Life-John-Kennedy/dp/0029259657/ref=tmm_hrd_title_0 and http://www.amazon.com/Question-Character-Life-John-Kennedy/product-reviews/0029259657/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#R2SDUMI20EEA8Z
[4] See http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Side-Camelot-Seymour-Hersh/dp/0316359556 and http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Side-Camelot-Seymour-Hersh/product-reviews/0316359556/ref=cm_cr_dp_synop?ie=UTF8&showViewpoints=0&sortBy=bySubmissionDateDescending#R3Q8NBIYKP5W01
[5] See Seymour M. Hersh, “The Dark Side of Camelot,” p. 343.
[6] Although I was not old enough to vote for him, I was in the Los Angeles Coliseum and watched while he delivered his acceptance speech at the close of the Democrats’ convention in 1960. Also, despite growing up in a “devoutly” Republican family, I registered to vote as a Democrat when I was able to do so, largely because of him.
After law school at Berkeley—where I had walked out of one of my classrooms to learn that he had been shot in Dallas—I spent two years at the Pentagon and had an excellent offer to return thereafter to a wonderful law firm in San Francisco, for which I had worked briefly before entering the Army. Instead, I went to work on Capitol Hill, in no small part because of Kennedy and the call to government service that his words engendered (e.g., “Ask not what your country can do for you—ask what you can do for your country”).
In short, Kennedy had changed the course of my life, which is why the truth about his life—and the fraud that was “Camelot”—needs to be exposed, not covered up or papered over as USA Today has done so irresponsibly.
[7] Id at 202.
[8] Id at 230.
[9] Id at 265.
[10] Id at 437.
I know an outstanding reporter with impeccable, world-class credentials who is based in Washington, D.C. This person covered the Vietnam war and other wars up to and including the present day. I admire and respect the person’s experience, opinions and judgment greatly. In an e-mail message that I received on July 29, 2010, the person wrote:
Tim, [w]e won the Vietnam war – and Congress lost it.
Let me explain.
Last US soldier left Vietnam March 29, 1973.
Saigon fell April 15, 1975.
ARVN – South Vietnamese army – did very well on its own for two years with US military assistance, but no US soldiers, not even as advisers to ARVN.
Then Congress, in its infinite wisdom, cut off all further military aid to Saigon.
ARVN saw no point in continuing to fight, stabbed in the back by the US Congress.
Gen. Giap, in his memoirs, says Hanoi was taken by surprise by what Congress did because they thought that taking Saigon would not be within their reach for two more years.
So Giap improvised an offensive – and Saigon fell without a fight.
I have no reason to believe that this person’s assessment is inaccurate in any respect. I will not disclose the person’s identity while he or she is alive, certainly without permission to do so.
[11] Id at 450.
[12] Id at 456.
[13] Id at 439.
[14] See, e.g., http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Emperor’s_New_Clothes
[15] See also Timothy D. Naegele, “Ronald Reagan and John F. Kennedy: A Question of Character”—https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/ronald-reagan-and-john-f-kennedy-a-question-of-character/
You are correct Timothy, they certainly made Kennedy “King” when they made him president, and they kept the aura after he died. Too bad it took this long for the crown to be taken off, but it’s better late than never.
I hope you take Obama’s “crown” off much quicker.
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Yeah, that pretty much sums up my feelings on the guy. As a Cuban-American who was removed from Miami at a fairly young age and integrated with American children in VA and AZ, I was always surprised when people glorified JFK. I had always been told by the Cubans in Miami (who believe very strongly in democracy) that he was a traitor, liar, gangster, and pretty much despicable. His father’s Cocaine trafficking business is still legendary in Miami.
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I am no fan of Obama, and I have mentioned before that his announced withdrawal would be a betrayal to the Iraqi and Afghan people who support Democracy, and are willing to die for it, much like our soldiers. I see some stunning similarities here to JFK’s policies toward Cuba.
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Yes, I agree completely, which is why I wrote the following comments about the failed “Bay of Pigs” invasion of Cuba that appear in the article above:
Unlike John F. Kennedy and Johnson before him, Obama never served in the military, and only actually served in the U.S. Senate for a brief period of time because he was campaigning nonstop for the presidency.
He is a former “community organizer” who has ignored the advice of America’s military leaders and fashioned his own Afghan strategy, which I have been told—by at least one true expert—is tragically doomed to failure. Assuming that happens, he will blame the military and everyone else, or so I believe, even though he will be responsible for the deaths and injuries of countless brave Americans.
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JFK was no saint, but you seem to have an axe to grind. While you laude his negatives, you do not mention his positives. Maybe that’s the lawyer in you. Obama is a moron and I fail to find anything for which to praise. However, Reagan was guilty of treason by allowing the sale of arms to Iran, at the time, an enemy of the state. Bottom line, if you can’t tell the whole story, you shouldn’t say anything at all.
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Thank you for your comments.
First, as discussed in the article above and in all of the comments beneath it, the net effect is that JFK was a total fraud and despicable. Tragically, this is the story of the Kennedys too: the apples did not fall far from the “tree” of the patriarch, Joseph P. Kennedy.
Also, if you bothered to read the article above and the comments beneath it, you would realize the full extent of JFK’s recklessness. He launched us into the Vietnam War; and his incompetence and that of Bobby Kennedy almost precipitated a war with the Soviet Union, and a “nuclear winter.”
Second, with respect to Barack Obama, I have “catalogued” his core beliefs as set forth in his book, “Dreams from My Father.” Like him or not, he has been true to those beliefs. The problem is that most Americans never read the book, nor do they have any conception of what truly motivates him.
See https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2009/12/05/is-barack-obama-a-racist/
I voted against him twice, but I agree with his treatment of Russia’s Putin and Israel’s Netanyahu—who are moral equivalents—and I agree too with his views regarding the Middle East generally.
See, e.g., https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2015/11/29/the-death-of-putin-and-russia-the-final-chapter-of-the-cold-war/ (“The Death Of Putin And Russia: The Final Chapter Of The Cold War”) and https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2015/12/31/is-israel-doomed/ (“Is Israel Doomed?”)
The United States is the largest energy producer in the world once again, and essentially energy independent. We do not need the region any longer. Moreover, after three wars there, and the loss of thousands of American lives with others maimed, and trillions of dollars wasted, the American people want out of the region and rightly so.
Third, regarding Reagan, I do not believe he did anything wrong vis-à-vis supporting the Contras. He was acting in America’s best interests.
Also, I have written about the contrast between Reagan and JFK, so will not repeat it here.
See https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/ronald-reagan-and-john-f-kennedy-a-question-of-character/ (“Ronald Reagan and John F. Kennedy: A Question of Character”)
Lastly, I believe the “whole story” has been told about JFK here, in the limited space available. If you read the article and all of the comments beneath it, a “picture” emerges that is not pleasant in the least. The facts speak for themselves.
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You speak of a deliberate distortion of history concerning JFK; a common but effective way to prepare your audience to accept your own distortion. While no Josef Goebbels, you have learned the technique of the big lie.
I would address your rant item by item, but that would be tedious, and you have supplied a surplus of tedium already. Suffice to say, I have rarely read such an unbalanced, dis-informative, crudely crafted article.
You vilify a man many times your stature, your intelligence, and your courage. As Lloyd Bentsen said to Dan Quayle in the 1988 vice-presidential debate,”You’re no Jack Kennedy”.
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Thanks so much, Tom, for your comments.
Needless to say, you have engaged in name calling, but you did not rebut one point contained in the article, because it is impossible to do so. Again, Kennedy is the most despicable president in American history, and is without any peers.
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I recently read Hersh’s book and you accurately represent its contents and its import.
Your confidential informant is also quite correct. Frank Snepp’s Decent Interval also makes clear that we achieved a military victory only to have it stolen by the Democrats. Giap apparently persuaded the politburo to allow him to attempt a cross-border operation, from which he assured them he would withdraw if Nixon reacted. He could not and the rest is history. We paid a high price for our national morality play, “Watergate,” and have continued to pay through the nose in the form of the 60s radicals infecting our schools and the Democrat Party.
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Tom, I have read countless books on the Kennedy’s and the Kennedy Presidency throughout my lifetime. Some of the authors no doubt admired Kennedy by way of a close personal relationship and others did not. Nonetheless, from my readings and knowledge, everything that Mr. Naegele has written is true and well documented in other sources. In fact, it’s one of the best summaries of the Kennedy Presidency that I have read.
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Thank you for your very kind words.
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although i am not an american
and would not claim to be an expert on jfk
i feel his humanity should be defended
if my spotty knowledge of american history is correct
wilson enabled the fed and the irs
…both unconstitutional and appalling
and also had a crippling stroke which basically put the first lady in charge without knowledge of the people
fdr stripped the starving masses
already suffering from the crash/depression created by the psycopahic leeching bankers
of all their gold in like 1933
then conspired with churchill to 9/11 the isolationist masses into ww2
all while hiding how disabled he was and his long long term side shag with his secretary
did obama not invade like 8 countries
drop a bomb for every hour of his two terms
hide his muslim faith and his tranny wife etc
i could probably go on and on
my only point is not to shame the aforementioned men
i think they all did the best they could
they were all human and all flawed
same goes for kennedy
my non american guess is this author of this article
has an agenda
and a sponsor
and probably should have the dirty skeletons shook from his closest
so thank you tom for defending jfk
💞💜💙💚💛🧡❤️💖
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Your comments are interesting.
If you read my article above and all of the comments beneath it, you may realize that JFK was a total fraud.
Indeed, his election as our President in 1960 was rigged by the Kennedys, the Democrats and Chicago crime boss Sam Giancana in Chicago and West Virginia. And JFK and Giancana used their mistress, Judith Campbell Exner, as their “go-between.” Any doubts, Google her.
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“There is no question that JFK was and is the most despicable President in American history.” One day I want you to tell me about all those Washington, DC anecdotes you have about Lyndon Johnson. He was the guy who made JFK’s brains go splatter on Elm Street in Dallas, TX.
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Thank you for your comments, as always.
I am sure you know many of the anecdotes about LBJ. He had few if any scrupples; and like JFK, he was a notorious womanizer. Reportedly, he “nailed” Nancy Dickerson in a White House broom closet.
My sense is that Lady Bird Johnson was very nice, and she raised their daughters to be that way. I spent part of a day with my wife, Lynda Bird Johnson, and another couple — who knew Lynda Bird well — at a picnic in Northern Virginia one day.
There were heightened threats against LBJ’s life because the Vietnam War; and the Secret Service protection around the five of us was significant. I was an Army officer serving at the Pentagon; and so was the only other male in the group, who was a friend of mine and of Lynda’s and her husband Chuck Robb, who wasn’t there that day.
Next, for the readers of these articles, please expand on your comment: “[LBJ] was the guy who made JFK’s brain[] go splatter on Elm Street in Dallas, TX.” Elm Street is where JFK’s assassination occurred.
Lastly, JFK, LBJ, Bill Clinton, Barack Obama and Joe Biden were and are corrupt. This is the thread that unites them, above all else.
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USA TODAY SHOULD BE BOYCOTTED!
See http://specials.usatoday.com/jfk/
As indicated in the article above, the once-fine and seemingly objective USA Today has reached new lows by publishing a series of articles extolling the virtues of John F. Kennedy and his family that are shameful, and constitute the gross distortion of history. Indeed, they appear to represent yet another attempt by America’s discredited Left to exalt the virtues of its politicians, regardless of how corrupt and immoral they may be.
See https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/john-f-kennedy-the-most-despicable-president-in-american-history/; see also https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/ronald-reagan-and-john-f-kennedy-a-question-of-character/
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OK, you want rebuttal?
Let’s begin with your assertion that Kennedy “plunged America into the Vietnam War”.
Our involvement in Vietnam began in 1950. Truman sent the Military Assistance Advisory Group to assist the French. In 1951, he authorized 150 million in aid to the French.
In 1960 when Kennedy first took office, he did continue the bi-partisan, anti-communist foreign policies inherited from the administrations of Presidents Truman and Eisenhower. But by 1962, JFK said to Walter Cronkite that the war may be unwinnable, and that it was ultimately a Vietnamese war, not an American war.
Kennedy wanted out of Vietnam. He had planned for a complete withdrawl by 1965. The following is an excerpt from Kennedy’s National Security Action Memorandum 263, ” 2. A program be established to train Vietnamese so that essential functions now performed by U.S. military personnel can be carried out by Vietnamese by the end of 1965. It should be possible to withdraw the bulk of U.S. personnel by that time.”
On November 26, 1963, just 4 days after Kennedy was assassinated. LBJ signed NSAM 273 completely reversing Kennedy’s plan to withdraw American troops from Vietnam, and committing our forces indefinitely.
On August 4, 1964, Johnson claimed that the USS Turner Joy had been fired upon by the North Vietnamese. This prompted retaliatory air strikes, and prompted Congress on August 7, 1964, to pass the Tonkin Gulf Resolution.
This resolution gave LBJ authority, without a formal declaration of war by Congress, for the use of military force in Southeast Asia. It authorized the President to do whatever necessary in order to assist “any member or protocol state of the Southeast Asia Collective”.
An undated NSA publication declassified in 2005 revealed that there was no attack on 4 August. But LBJ used this non-incident to gain the power to escalate the war in Vietnam without a declaration of war. I see you were a Captain.
On 8 March 1965, 3,500 United States Marines were sent to South Vietnam. By December, the number increased to nearly 200,000. This was the beginning of the American ground war which eventually caused the death of 60,000 troops.
In the beginning of Kennedy’s administration he did continue the U.S. foreign policy of previous administrations in Southeast Asia . This was with the overwhelming support of the American people, who at the time believed in stopping the “Domino Effect” of Communism in the area.
But Kennedy realized we had no business in Vietnam, and he developed an exit plan to be completed by 1965.
Obviously you hate JFK. He had moral failings, to be sure. But don’t we all? Who are you to cast stones? I suspect the cause of your hatred is something you are unwilling to share. I see you served as a Captain in the Army Defense Intelligence Agency at the Pentagon. Kennedy, as you well know, fired Allen Dulles and began dismantling the CIA. It is no secret he was intensely hated by the agency. Could your associations with the intelligence community possibly influence your opinion?
Regardless of why you hate JFK so intensely, (I can’t believe you compare him with Hitler and Stalin), you cannot, in good faith blame him for the national disgrace that was the Vietnam War. You say he is possibly the “most morally corrupt President in American history”?
You have only to look at his successor to find the one deserving that distinction.
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Thank you again, Tom, for your comments.
You might wish to read the two outstanding books cited in footnotes 3-4 of the article above. Hersh discusses Vietnam more than Reeves does; however, you might wish to compare your views of history with theirs. Obviously, many other books have been written about that war.
It is pure conjecture as what Kennedy might or might not have done if he had been spared an assassin’s bullets. We will never know for certain. However, we must never forget that his secretary of defense, Robert McNamara, was the architect of that lost war and the enormous suffering that it produced. McNamara continued under Johnson, as you know; and together they took the war to new levels.
Please read footnote 10 of the article too.
My feelings about Kennedy, and the origin of such feelings, are set forth in this article and my other article about Reagan and Kennedy, which is cited in footnote 15 above. There are no hidden feelings or agendas. Like many other Americans, I felt betrayed by Kennedy, and still believe strongly that he was a fraud.
My comments about Hitler and Stalin go to the despicable nature of them as human beings, and the suffering that they produced. Kennedy came very close to bringing about a “nuclear winter” because of his recklessness that put the lives of millions of Americans at risk—and potentially the lives of millions of other people elsewhere in the world—which might have equaled or surpassed what Hitler and Stalin did.
None of my work in intelligence has influenced my views, to the best of my knowledge. I was a Kennedy believer who became sadly disillusioned; and this disillusionment has increased over time as more and more of the truth has come out about Kennedy. I have zero doubts that more is to come.
With respect to Johnson, you may not know or recall but there were bumper stickers on cars in Washington, D.C. when I was an Army officer serving at the Pentagon, which said: “Where is Lee Harvey Oswald now that we really need him?” He was hated—which is among the reasons why he did not run for reelection in 1968. However, I believe Kennedy was worse, both as a human being and as a demagogue and narcissistic “leader.”
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Tom, you might appreciate this article: Jim DiEugenio on JFK’s foreign policy – https://consortiumnews.com/2013/11/25/jfks-embrace-of-third-world-nationalists/
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You have not offered any proof of your assertion that Kennedy was responsible for our tragic involvement in Vietnam. I used verifiable facts to show that 1. Kennedy inherited a long-standing and gradually escalating involvement. 2. Public opinion was in favor of the containment of Communism in Southeast Asia. 3. By 1962 Kennedy realized the blunder of our protracted and hopeless efforts to help the South Vietnamese. 4. He issued NASM 263 which proves his intention and desire to get out of the war. 5. Johnson signed NASM 273 which completely nullified Kennedy’s efforts to withdraw, and committed our forces indefinitely. He did this only FOUR DAYS after Kennedy was assassinated, waiting only for his burial. 6. Johnson used the lie about the Gulf of Tonkin incident as a ruse to launch air strikes, and eventually to gain power from Congress to wage a full-on war without any declaration. 7. The ground war started in 1965 when Marines were first sent in.
You criticized me for offering no rebuttal, yet you have not even challenged any of the above assertions, assertions which if true, prove conclusively that your claim of Kennedy ‘s responsibility for the war is unfounded.
Instead of disputing my facts, you suggest I compare my “views of history” by reading two books about what a fraud Kennedy was! Then you try to shift the focus from Kennedy to McNamara. Which one are you blaming now?
Let’s hear some facts to back up your assertion. Tell me which of the seven assertions I made are false.
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Thank you, Tom, for your additional comments.
Again, I respectfully suggest that you read the two books mentioned above, and specifically Hersh’s discussions about Vietnam. He “nails” Kennedy; and both books can be read at your leisure. Also, there is no point in incorporating those discussions in this blog thread, when its readers can refer to the original sources, as you can.
Who was culpable? The two Kennedy brothers, Jack and Bobby; McNamara; Johnson; members of Congress; and others. There was plenty of culpability to go around—which resulted in the deaths of almost 60,000 Americans, some of whom were my friends.
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It is worth mentioning that both McGeorge Bundy and Robert McNamara said that if JFK was not killed the USA would not have entered the Vietnam War. LBJ, by contrast, told the Joint Chiefs of Staff at their 1963 Christmas party that if you get me elected in 1964 I will [win] you your war in Vietnam. I suggest that you read Jim DiEugenio on JFK’s foreign policy which in reality was quite dovish in comparison to JFK’s previous Cold War rhetoric. LBJ, in contrast, was the hard core war hawk who saw the political damage that “losing China” did to Harry Truman and he swore that would never happen to him. Vietnam blew up in LBJ’s face.
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Thank you for your comments.
I believe, and have written above and elsewhere that we “owe” the Vietnam War to three people: JFK, McNamara and LBJ. And the loss of 55,000 American lives and countless suffering and economic losses.
JFK’s death in Dallas was perhaps the best thing that could have happened to his legacy. He was not healthy, and might have died of natural causes.
McNamara was pure evil, and engaged in revisionist history. He was a fraud from beginning to end. One night on the ferry to Martha’s Vineyard, some fellow tried to push him overboard, which almost succeeded. The Washington Post’s magazine had an article about it.
LBJ was evil too, but relatively speaking not as evil as JFK and McNamara.
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Mr. Naegele
You are a man of great success and position. I admire men like you who are capable of such accomplishments in life. I believe, however, that you are somewhat disingenuous in your posture as an unbiased presenter of fact and promoter of honest debate.
I am sure you are familiar with the concept that morality dictates theology. You seem to preach only to the choir. You base your statements on two books, both of which support your belief that JFK, a man who made more people proud to be Americans than any President in recent history, was in fact a degenerate and a scoundrel.
I would expect to see plenty of dissent in your blog, given the high esteem in which JFK is held by so many, but all I see are a few brief and ill-reasoned agreeable comments.
When challenged on your facts, you say there is no point in “incorporating those discussions in this blog thread”. Basically, you like to do all the talking and don’t want to be interrupted by questions.
JFK was physically assassinated in 1963. You sir, are conducting a character assassination 47 years later. In doing so, you do not demonstrate the dignity that your resume suggests.
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Thank you again, Tom, for your thoughtful comments.
My reasoning was not based simply on two books, which happen to support my positions. I have read extensively about John F. Kennedy and his brothers. In fact, when I worked in the U.S. Senate, our offices were located next to those of Teddy, whom I believed was the best of the Kennedy brothers, notwithstanding his culpability in the tragic death of Mary Jo Kopechne.
You have argued with respect to the origins of the Vietnam war; and I have cited the conclusions of Pulitzer Prize winning investigative journalist Seymour M. Hersh, as set forth in his book “The Dark Side of Camelot.” If you differ with them, I respectfully suggest that you take issue with him. His fine book is extensively researched, and you are free to dispute his sources—some of which you may agree with ultimately.
The Kennedy “myth” has been spun for years, and it does Americans an immense disservice to have it continue. Among other things, there are documents held by the Kennedy Library that should have been released years ago. Other documents were destroyed by the Kennedy “faithful.” My guess is that John F. Kennedy’s “legacy” will only get worse as the years pass, until finally he is largely discredited at least by most scholars.
I wish you well in your quest for the truth.
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Thank you for recognizing that my objective is the truth. I acknowledge that historical truth is often difficult to determine, and sometimes impossible. Time will tell, as they say. Unfortunately it does not always tell us everything. You and I will have to agree to disagree on this subject, at least for now.
I apologize that my tone was often less than gracious. It was never my intention to be insulting or disrespectful. Maybe I am overly passionate about certain subjects, JFK being one of them.
I am angry, not so much that JFK was assassinated, even in such a brazen manner. I am furious at the total lack of honest investigation into the public murder of an American President, and the farce of the Warren Commission’s findings. It leads me to the conclusion that elements of our own government were complicit in his death.
In any murder, motive is the key question. Who stood to gain? In Kennedy’s case, so many powerful and ruthless forces were aligned against him. He fired Allen Dulles and was dismantling the CIA, the Mob wanted him to oust Castro so they could get their casinos back, he was taking the power of fiat currency from the Federal Reserve, and LBJ wanted the Presidency almost as much as he hated Kennedy. If you judge a man by who his enemies are, Kennedy looks like a great President.
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Thank you again, Tom, for your thoughtful comments.
Yes, I understand and appreciate your passion. We may never know the truth behind his assassination. My article above describes what apparently Bobby and Jackie thought. It is too bad that Bobby did not testify, but he had his reasons.
What is perhaps most profound, as fate would have it, is that JFK might not have died except for the stiff brace that he was wearing, which held him rigid and upright. I have been to Dallas and the site; and I was struck by how small it is. History was changed that day, as we know.
See also http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/hscawech.htm (Testimony Of Dr. Cyril H. Wecht in 1978 before the House Select Committee on Assassinations, disputing the single-bullet theory that is the essence of the Warren Commission report’s conclusions)
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Tom, I hope this will clarify your thinking on the JFK assassination: LBJ top aide Horace Busby: Lyndon Johnson was acutely aware by Nov. 4, 1963 that the Kennedys had sent a SWAT team of over **FORTY** national reporters to Texas to utterly destroy him
https://robertmorrowpoliticalresearchblog.blogspot.com/2020/07/lyndon-johnson-was-acutely-aware-by-nov.html
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USA TODAY AND ALL OTHER GANNETT BUSINESSES SHOULD BE BOYCOTTED!
See http://specials.usatoday.com/jfk/
As indicated in the article above, the once-fine and seemingly objective USA Today has reached new lows by publishing a series of articles extolling the virtues of John F. Kennedy and his family that are shameful, and constitute the gross distortion of history.
See https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/john-f-kennedy-the-most-despicable-president-in-american-history/; see also https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/ronald-reagan-and-john-f-kennedy-a-question-of-character/
The travesty of this series, as well as the gross distortion of history that it represents, have been brought to the attention of the highest echelons of Gannett and USA Today—including Craig A. Dubow, Gannett’s Chairman, President & CEO (who can be reached at cdubow@gannett.com), and David Hunke, USA Today’s Publisher (who can be reached at dhunke@gannett.com)—but the newspaper keeps touting the series on the homepage of its Web site.
See, e.g., http://www.naegele.com/documents/USATODAY.comhomepage-10-18-10.pdf (series logo appears in the upper right-hand corner of USA Today’s homepage)
Thus, the series does not merely constitute editorial irresponsibility, but it taints the entire Gannett organization, and demonstrates bias and distorted media coverage on the part of one of the largest media conglomerates globally. The series represents another attempt by America’s discredited Left to exalt the virtues of its politicians, regardless of how corrupt and immoral they may be.
If Americans cannot trust Gannett and USA Today anymore to provide fair and balanced news, they should be boycotted!
Here is a list of Gannett businesses and their addresses (see http://www.gannett.com/about/map/address.htm), as well as a listing of the locations of Gannett daily newspapers and TV stations that should be boycotted (see http://www.gannett.com/about/map/propmap.htm)—certainly until both Gannett and USA Today issue formal written apologies for and retractions of their shameful series of articles, which constitute an irresponsible and gross distortion of history.
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Good evening. I am following up on this blog as you have piqued my interest here. Actually, I found your site via your comments on the Air Craft Carrier providing assistance to the Carnival crippled ship. Could not agree with you more……don’t we have better things to do with all this money??
Anyway, just a note here as I went to find the books you have referenced (3 and 4) and found that in fact, the Reeves book was published in 1991 while the Hersh book was in 97 as you state. Hopefully you are not at this point rolling your eyes, but you do make a specific point, commenting “To have two truly outstanding books introduced at the same time, on the same subject, is interesting unto itself.” While it certainly does not in any way change any conclusions one will draw from the books, the timing of those conclusions now is, if nothing else, suspect. Just my opinion.
Love the flame war with Tom. Great entertainment.
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Thank you, Larry, for your comments.
The copyright for the Reeves book states:
See, e.g., http://www.naegele.com/documents/Amazon.com-AQuestionofCharactertheLifeofJohnFKennedy.pdf
The 1997 copyright apparently applies to the “Paperback edition,” while the 1991 copyright applies to the earlier “Hardcover edition.” It is not clear whether there were any differences between the two editions; and if so, exactly what they were. Thus, you are correct; and I am correct too—at least with respect to the “Paperback edition.” 🙂
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GANNETT AND USA TODAY CONTINUE TO SPEW LIES, AND MUST BE BOYCOTTED
Unchastened and unrepentant, and clearly aware of the fact that their series of articles about John F. Kennedy and his family distorts history beyond all recognition, Gannett and USA Today continue to tout the series on the newspaper’s homepage.
See http://www.naegele.com/documents/USATODAY.com-10-11-11.pdf (series logo appears in the upper right-hand corner of USA Today’s homepage)
One single “fabricated” article is not the issue, nor even the whole series of shameless articles, but the repeated touting of this series long after it was published originally compounds the journalistic travesty that Gannett and USA Today are perpetrating on the American people and their readers worldwide.
See also https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/john-f-kennedy-the-most-despicable-president-in-american-history/#comment-836 and https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/john-f-kennedy-the-most-despicable-president-in-american-history/#comment-855
Clearly, none of Gannett’s publications nor its flagship USA Today can ever be trusted again. The series represents a pathetic effort to increase readership, and yet another attempt by America’s discredited Left to glorify its politicians, regardless of how corrupt and immoral they may be.
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I’m sorry, and this might be me just picking at loose ends, but Ronald Reagan and George H. W. Bush won the Cold War? I’m sorry, but the “victory” (which really seems a strange word to apply here) should not be accredited to them. Just because they were Presidents when the U.S.S.R. fell does that mean a thing. The Cold War was won, first and foremost, by the inability of Communism to fundamentally last in an overly Capitalistic world. And I don’t remember many containment projects done by these two fellows, although you could argue that Reagan perpetuated Capitalism by his Reaganomics approach (which I wouldn’t touch with a ten-foot pole). But still, nothing they did could be argued as “winning” the war. The war was won essentially once the Cuban Missile Crisis ended. After that escalation of nuclear threat and the subsequent backing-down of the two superpowers, it was pretty obvious neither country would “destroy” the other. So by simple logic and knowledge of what is Communism, it was obvious we’d win the war back in the ’60s, not to say we knew it then of course. So please, don’t take a historical article (which I did find intellectually stimulating as I now would like to research more than I already know about JFK) about one time period and shamelessly plug in completely unrelated nonsense to propagate Republican idols. Even though you easily are a right-wing individual, it definitely portrays yourself as less informative and more close-minded and bigoted. But I did enjoy the rest of the article; I do not know more about JFK than the deified president that I was taught briefly in school. It definitely makes me want to learn more about him -objectively of course- and be able to thoroughly understand your article’s main points.
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Thank you, Patrick, for your comments. Every once in a while, a compliment was thrown in, which I appreciate. 🙂
First, it is commonly acknowledged that Reagan won the Cold War, inter alia, because his “Star Wars” arms race triggered massive military expenditures that contributed to the country’s collapse. I do not have time to bring up the articles on this subject for you, but a Google or Wikipedia search might prove beneficial.
The Berlin Wall came down, and the country actually collapsed on George H.W. Bush’s watch; and I was in Berlin shortly after the collapse took place. Russian troops were selling their uniforms, and stealing plumbing fixtures from their barracks, which could be sold too. They were going back to “tent cities” in the dead of winter, because there was not adequate housing for them, until the West Germans paid the Soviet Union “reparations”—which may or may not have gone to housing for them.
Second, communism as an economic and social system was decaying for years, as you point out. The “Ten Year” and other plans were pure nonsense, and fabricated to keep the leaders in power.
Third, the Cuban Missile Crisis did not end the risks to America, which still exist today—and have never gone away. They have merely changed forms.
See, e.g., https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/02/09/russias-putin-is-a-killer; see also https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/19/emp-attack-only-30-million-americans-survive/ and https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/02/06/the-silent-voices-of-stalin’s-soviet-holocaust-and-mao’s-chinese-holocaust/
Fourth, I have no interest in “propagat[ing] Republican idols,” nor in doing the same with respect to Democrats. I am an Independent, and proud of it. 🙂
Fifth, to the extent that you have been taught that Kennedy was a “deified president,” I assume it was by Leftist professors at schools throughout the country. I am liberal on some issues, and conservative on others, but mostly moderate—or so I believe. Left-wing or right-wing ideologues and fanatics are not my “cup of tea.”
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The Travesties And Tragedies Of The Shameful Kennedys Continue Unabated
The lies and distortions of history continue as members of the Kennedy family work behind the scenes to kill a new eight-part TV miniseries on the History Channel about John F. Kennedy and Jackie Kennedy, which was set to air in the U.S. later this year. Maria Shriver and Caroline Kennedy are reported to have lobbied hard for the History Channel to pull the plug on the series.
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1345860/Disappointment-Katie-Holmes-axed-Jackie-Kennedy-series.html and http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/caroline-kennedy-maria-shriver-helped-69764
In a UK Daily Mail article—which is entitled, “‘It’s the truth’: Producer defends JFK mini-series after it’s cancelled ‘due to pressure from Caroline Kennedy'”—it is reported:
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1346292/Its-truth-Producer-defends-JFK-mini-series-cancelled-pressure-Caroline-Kennedy.html
As the article above states clearly and unequivocally, John F. Kennedy was despicable and a fraud; his infidelities with prostitutes and other women trashed his marriage and were often perverted; and his father was every bit as bad if not worse. The History Channel should be boycotted for its actions.
See also http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/us-politics/9062444/John-F-Kennedys-mistress-details-their-affair-in-new-book.html (“John F Kennedy’s mistress details their affair in new book“) and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2096770/JFK-took-virginity-White-House-intern-Mimi-Alford-19.html (“He took me into Jackie’s room… I was powerless to resist: Ex-White House intern, 19, describes ‘passionate 18-month affair with JFK’“) and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099498/Mimi-Alford-The-day-JFK-took-virginity-wifes-White-House-bed.html (“In [the UK Daily Mail’s] first extract from a memoir that’s shocked America, a former intern reveals the cold-hearted truth about a predatory president who cynically exploited her innocence . . .“) and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2100256/JFK-tried-make-abortion-How-President-Kennedy-forced-teenage-intern-drugs-feared-hed-pregnant.html (“JFK tried to make me have an abortion: How President Kennedy forced a teenage intern to take drugs and feared he’d made her pregnant“)
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You lost all hope for convincing me here with your first sentence about how usa today is anything but a heap of populist, cotton candy trash, with or without the kennedy article. Do you read US weekly too?
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Thank you, Chris, for your comments.
I respectfully suggest that you read the rest of the article, as well as my comments beneath it; and I believe you will find that I agree with you—to a large extent. Sadly, this is not what USA Today used to be, or what it should be.
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Sarah Palin Under Attack
The UK’s Daily Mall is reporting:
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1347418/Arizona-shooting-Spike-death-threats-Sarah-Palin.html
The Washington Post’s Charles Krauthammer was correct: the Tucson massacre was not a consequence of the “climate of hate” created by Sarah Palin or anyone else. It was the work of a deranged killer, similar to the men who killed John Lennon in New York City, and Yitzhak Rabin in Tel Aviv.
See https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/11/12/sarah-and-todd-palin-the-big-winners/#comment-1279
Also, it is tragic to think that politicians, other public figures, or anyone with whom we might disagree would be targeted by anyone else for death.
In an article of mine entitled, “Washington Is Sick And The American People Know It,” I mentioned the vitriolic climate of hate and personal destruction in Washington today, which is far beyond anything that I dealt with when I worked in the U.S. Senate on Capitol Hill.
See https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/washington-is-sick-and-the-american-people-know-it/
I did witness the “politics of personal destruction” though, when senators, congressmen, and their staff members went after political “targets” who were seeking Senate confirmation. There was a conscious effort to find “dirt” on the people and destroy their reputations to prevent the confirmation process from going forward. It was unseemly when I first encountered it; and it is not the American way.
In my article, I referred to Peggy Noonan’s use of the word, “Enraged,” and I described Barack Obama’s detractors and opponents as being “angry, livid, galvanized and motivated.” Also, I wrote:
And I described Washington as “a corrupt, politically-polarized toxic city.”
Charles Krauthammer is correct: many Americans use the metaphors of war to describe sports, politics and daily discourse in this great country; and rereading my words, I realize that I am just as guilty of this as anyone.
I believe Obama is leading America in the wrong direction, for all of the reasons that I have discussed in my articles; however, I do not wish him ill in terms of his physical safety or that of his family. Quite to the contrary, people often become martyrs when they are struck down, which is what happened to John F. Kennedy who has been “deified”—and wrongly so, in my opinion—since he was assassinated in Dallas just before Thanksgiving in 1963. History has been distorted, and continues to be, right up to this day.
See, e.g., https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/john-f-kennedy-the-most-despicable-president-in-american-history/
I was stunned when Kennedy was shot; and I will always remember when I learned about it, walking from my law school class at Berkeley—before it was announced that he had been killed. People worldwide remember the moments when John Lennon and Yitzhak Rabin were killed too.
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Finally, Reagan Is Honored—Belatedly And In A Second-Class Fashion
After running an entire “special” series of articles for many months now, distorting history with respect to John F. Kennedy and his dysfunctional family—which is still being published online to this day—USA Today has belatedly honored Ronald Reagan as his 100th birthday approaches on February 6, 2011.
Compare http://content.usatoday.com/topics/topic/People/Historical+Figures/Ronald+Reagan with http://specials.usatoday.com/jfk/
As I concluded in my article about the two American presidents:
See https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/20/ronald-reagan-and-john-f-kennedy-a-question-of-character/
. . .
The boycott of USA Today and other Gannett businesses must continue!
See, e.g., https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/john-f-kennedy-the-most-despicable-president-in-american-history/#comment-836 and https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/john-f-kennedy-the-most-despicable-president-in-american-history/#comment-855 and https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/john-f-kennedy-the-most-despicable-president-in-american-history/#comment-952
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Hello Timothy … I’ve arrived here from your link regarding our friend Tiger 🙂 The Woods saga is a “comedy” compared to this subject matter … nonetheless, you do manage to “stir the pot” over there with those guys and it’s really fun whenever you post a blog … keep it up ! Anyhow, I have to say that I find your writings about Kennedy to be very interesting and no doubt quite factual. Though I’m younger than yourself (ie: I was only four years old in ’63), I like many others, continue to be fascinated with this period in American history. I don’t know exactly why that is, as we’ve since had the ’70’s, 80’s, 90’s, etc, and all that those decades entailed politically ? Maybe it’s just because of the old black & white TV images ? 🙂 But seriously, no one can deny your assertion that Kennedy created a “sea” of detractors around himself through his various deeds and actions, whether right or wrong. So what I would like to ask you … if I may be so bold … is whether or not you subscribe to the “single bullet” theory ? Do you think it was Oswald acting alone ? … or do you think it was a coup d’etat ? Your response would be of great interest to me and it will be much appreciated … thank you … Kelvin
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Thank you, Kelvin, for your nice comments as always.
Yes, you are correct: one of the goals of this blog is to “stir the pot,” and stimulate discussions and debate.
See, e.g., https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/about/#comment-861
With respect to the theories surrounding Kennedy’s death, I remain open-minded and doubt we will ever know the answers definitively. So many people who might have shed light on this are dead now (e.g., Bobby and Jackie Kennedy, who had their theories; mobsters who may have been involved). If someone said that I had to decide, I would choose the “single-bullet” theory.
As to whether Oswald acted alone, I have never reached a definitive conclusion about that either. It would be easy to “shoot from the hip”—no pun intended—and come down on the side of one theory or another, but again I believe we will never know for certain. 2,300 years after the death of Alexander the Great, there are still a variety of theories about what caused his death.
See https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/01/17/alexander-the-great/
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Thank you Timothy for your reply. I hope that I didn’t put you on the spot here, by asking you about Dealey Plaza, etc ? Regardless, your views are very interesting and much appreciated. You’re correct in pointing out that so many have now passed who could have shed light on this subject … not to mention the many documents still being withheld, including autopsy reports, military briefs, etc. Personally, I lean towards the coup d’etat theory. This is based purely on the laws of motion and physics, as seen in the Zapruder footage. But as you say, we will likely never know the truth, even though future generations one day might. What happened that day happened … and nothing we do today will ever change that. But getting back to your argument that “Camelot” was a contrived notion, etc … I’m compelled to reiterate that many people fail to remember that the stationing of US missiles in Turkey in 1958, is what precipitated Kennedy’s so-called Cuban Missile Crisis … what followed must have indeed been a game of Russian Roulette … and thank god that nothing happened ! You’ve also referenced the “decency” of Ronald Reagan … a man who was then viewed as a hawk, but ultimately proved to be the greatest dove in recent memory. Do you know that he was reputed to have “never” removed his jacket while working in the Oval Office, due to his reverence for the office that he held ? Take care and please know that I’m now reading through your various articles with great interest.
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Thank you again, Kelvin, for your comments.
You are correct about the amount of documents that were destroyed already, and those that are still withheld by the Kennedy Library, which should have its federal funding terminated. As my article above stated:
This is a travesty, which needs to be corrected. Also, as I mentioned above, 2,300 years have passed since Alexander’s death, and we still do not know the truth. Thus, the passage of time may not clarify the facts surrounding Kennedy’s death at all.
Thank you for the rest of your comments, with which I agree; and thanks again for your very kind remarks.
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Your argument about Kennedy being responsible for the Vietnam War is bogus, since Lyndon Johnson made up the nonsense about the Gulf of Tonkin. It is the same bogus made-up Weapons of Mass Destruction argument by the bush Administration. It will be a cold day in hell if you can ever convince me of the responsibility of Kennedy for the Vietnam War. This was a country just itching to get into another war–so we made up some bogus reasons just to run our war machine–just like we did in Iraq. You can find plenty of people who might historically argue that Kennedy was responsible, but I was right there when it happened, right there when history was happening, so it will be difficult to pull the wool over my eyes.
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Thank you for your comments, Richard.
First, I suggest that you read the two books that are cited, which are terrific, as well as the sources cited in my article’s footnotes and the comments beneath it. The books are well written and researched; and the authors’ credentials are impeccable. Among other things, Seymour Hersh is a Pulitzer Prize winner.
Second, as he states, Kennedy “had a chance in 1961 to disengage from an American involvement in South Vietnam,” but didn’t. Hersh adds emphatically: “Whatever Jack Kennedy’s intentions were, Vietnam was his war, even after his death.”
However, as I wrote in the article:
I blamed Johnson, as you do; and I ceased to be a Democrat because of him—and the war.
Lastly, you have your opinions and I have mine. Plenty of people agree with each of us.
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Johnson wasn’t a Democrat–he was a Republican by today’s standards. I lost plenty of my friends in that war as well. If you are looking for original cause, then you have to go back to Eisenhower and Truman, both supporting the Vietnamese situation. I think you want to put the blame on Kennedy because of your moral judgment of him. I’ve read your comments about him, and you are going to have to take that moral judgment to the door of all the presidents who exercised infidelity. Unfortunately, that includes several significant presidents.
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Thank you again, Richard, for your comments.
Like you, I was a Kennedy “believer,” as my article states. Like you, I lost friends in that war, and I blame Johnson and McNamara more than I blame Kennedy. They kept it going, and expanded it beyond all reason.
As I stated in a comment above relating to Johnson:
See https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/john-f-kennedy-the-most-despicable-president-in-american-history/#comment-838
I respectfully disagree: Johnson was very much a Democrat. In fact, he embodied his party. He had been a leader in the House, and a “disciple” of Speaker Sam Rayburn; and he was its leader in the Senate. He was every bit as much of a hard-line, thoroughly-partisan Democrat as Nancy Pelosi is today.
Next, the article and my comments beneath it summarize my views about Kennedy. He was a fraud and, yes, despicable; and my views do not turn on his infidelities.
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Kennedy would have NEVER left Vietnam because there were over a million fellow Catholics there. Do you think that blue collar Catholic democrats would have voted for him, knowing that he left them to be murdered by the Communists? That was an issue coming up in 1964. Would the US leave Catholics to be killled by the Reds? Would the Vatican have stayed silent? It seems that in all the lies about Kennedy “getting out of Vietnam” this is the biggest! So Kennedy had no plans to leave, and the myth of him leaving has endured to this day!
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Thank you, Frank, for your comments.
Yes, I recall that point of view too. You may be correct.
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The Kennedy Curse
This is what Greek shipping heiress Christina Onassis believed John F. Kennedy’s widow Jacqueline brought to the Onassis family when her father Aristotle married the widow.
The UK’s Daily Mail has added:
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2051442/Scavenging-rubbish-bins-desperate-times-pushed-Olga-Onassis-riches-poverty.html
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JFK’s Mistress Killed?
The UK’s Daily Mail has reported:
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2132334/Book-claims-JFKs-mistress-assassinated-CIA-wanted-pursue-peaceful-solution-Cold-War.html (“Book claims JFK’s mistress was assassinated by the CIA ‘because she knew too much about his assassination'”); see also http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2146646/Mary-Kennedy-death-Family-sues-Robert-Kennedy-Jr-prevent-burial.html (The Curse of the Kennedys Continues: “Kennedys at war! RFK Jr wins court battle over ex-wife’s body as her family sues to prevent burial ahead of funeral taking place today”) and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2207946/Revealed-JFKs-stabbing-generals-mocked-President-battled-avoid-regarded-trigger-happy-Americans-lost-Berlin.html (“John F Kennedy’s top generals were . . . bad-mouthing him behind his back”)
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Fifty years ago—just months before his assassination—John F. Kennedy celebrated his final Christmas with a mistress in the wings
In a UK Telegraph article, Sarah Bradford—who is author of “America’s Queen: The Life of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis”—has written:
See http://www.telegraph.co.uk/history/9767502/The-Kennedys-Last-Christmas.html
As I have written in the article above:
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I have read the “Dark Side of Camelot” and I consider it an excellent book. Note 2 things: 1) how LBJ blackmailed and strongarmed his way onto the 1960 Demo ticket 2) how RFK was on the verge of destroying LBJ with a Senate Rules investigation into LBJ’s corruption, as well as a coordinated media campaign (the latter not reported by Hersh).
Ok – Now read these books/articles relating to the JFK assassination:
1) LBJ: Mastermind of JFK’s Assassination by Phillip Nelson
2) JFK and the Unspeakable:Why He Died and Why it Matters by James Douglass
3) Brothers: the Hidden History of the Kennedy Years by David Talbot
4) The Dark Side of Camelot by Seymour Hersh
5) Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty by Russ Baker
6) Power Beyond Reason: The Mental Collapse of Lyndon Johnson by Jablow Hershman
7) Operation Cyanide: Why the Bombing of the USS Liberty Nearly Caused World War III by Peter Hounam (LBJ engineered the attack on the USS Liberty)
8) Inside the Assassinations Records Review Board Volume 5, by Doug Horne
9) Watch “The Men Who Killed Kennedy – the Guilty Men – episode 9” at YouTube –
best video ever on the JFK assassination; covers well Lyndon Johnson’s role
10) Google the essay “LBJ-CIA Assassination of JFK” by Robert Morrow
11) Google “National Security State and the Assassination of JFK by Andrew Gavin Marshall.”
12) Google “Chip Tatum Pegasus.” Intimidation of Ross Perot 1992
13) Google “Vincent Salandria False Mystery Speech.” Read every book & essay Vincent Salandria ever wrote.
14) Google “Unanswered Questions as Obama Annoints HW Bush” by Russ Baker
16) Google “Did the Bushes Help to Kill JFK” by Wim Dankbaar
17) Google “The Holy Grail of the JFK story” by Jefferson Morley
18) Google “The CIA and the Media” by Carl Bernstein
19) Google “CIA Instruction to Media Assets 4/1/67”
20) Google “Limit CIA Role to Intelligence” Harry Truman on 12/22/63
19) Google “Dwight Eisenhower Farewell Address” on 1/17/61
20) Google “Jerry Policoff NY Times.” Read everything Jerry Policoff ever wrote about the CIA media cover up of the JFK assassination.
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Needless to say, this is a “mouthful.”
The logical question, Robert, is what have you concluded about the JFK assassination, after distilling all of the findings from these sources?
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In sum, Lyndon Johnson and his Texas oil executive inner circle used their CIA/military connections to murder John Kennedy for many reasons both personal & ideological. Cuba policy was a major factor in the JFK assassination, much more so than Vietnam. Btw, I happen to be somewhat of an expert on the sex lifes of JFK, LBJ & Bill Clinton. They were all equally sexually unhinged. And I can tell you some dark things about GHW Bush as well.
Back to LBJ. Lyndon Johnson was a completely depraved man and a murderous psychopath with the exact same mentality and “behavior” as Adoph Hitler and Joseph Stalin. Kennedy was an angelic choir boy compared to LBJ. Eventually I will give you all my files on the JFK assassination and Lyndon Johnson, but I don’t want to overload you right now.
LBJ also engineered the Israeli attack on the USS LIberty on June 8, 1967 … but that is a story for another day.
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JFK Was A Smooth Criminal
In a UK Daily Mail article—entitled “JFK secretly freed rapists, drug dealers and Mafia hitmen to kill Castro and curb threat of Communism, claims explosive new book”—it is noted:
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2279155/JFK-secretly-freed-rapists-drug-dealers-Mafia-hitmen-kill-Castro-curb-Communist-threat-claims-explosive-new-book.html
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It Runs In The Family: RFK, Jr., Like His Grandfather Joseph P., His Father Bobby, And His Uncles Jack And Teddy.
In an article entitled, “RFK Jr’s secret sex diary: Serial philander’s journal includes scorecard of conquests and his Catholic guilt over cheating on wife Mary,” the UK’s Daily Mail has reported:
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2415449/RFK-Jrs-secret-sex-diary-Serial-philanders-journal-includes-scorecard-conquests-Catholic-guilt-cheating-wife-Mary.html
Women have died because of their recklessness (e.g., Marilyn Monroe, Mary Kennedy). They are detestable, at the very least!
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Bobby Kennedy’s Love Affair with Jackie Kennedy, post JFK assassination, is one big reason RFK kept publicly silent about the his beliefs on who murdered JFK
Another big reason would be the death threats he kept getting after he would press the FBI and CIA for information.
[David Heymann, Bobby and Jackie: a Love Story, pp. 117-118]
Over lunch that afternoon, Smathers asked Bobby why he’d aborted his personal investigation into his brother’s assassination.
“Because every time I pump the FBI or CIA for information,” RFK responded, “I end up with a death threat in the mail. So does Teddy. I don’t care about my own life, but I do care about my brother’s. My using the CIA in conjunction with the Mafia to go after Castro may have led to Jack’s death. One in the family is enough.”
For his part, Smathers supported the theory that there had been a conspiratorial plot between organized crime and the CIA, or, more accurately, a renegade faction of the CIA. Smathers had little faith in the findings of the Warren Commission. “Gerald Ford, the future president, was an FBI mole,” said Smathers. “He was on the commission but reported back to J. Edgar Hoover.” Despite the FBI director’s disdain for the Kennedys, Smathers firmly believed that it was the CIA – and not the FBI – that had worked with the syndicate to assassinate Kennedy. “In 1957 JFK and I spent a few days in Havanna,” continued Smathers. While there, they were introduced to crime figures Meyer Lansky and Santos Trafficante, both of whom controlled Cuba’s hotels, casinos, and nightclubs, creating an exhuberant after-hours atmosphere. “Trafficante set us up in a hotel suite with several choice ladies of the night. Only later did I realize how stupid we’d been. It wouldn’t have surprised me to learn that we’d been filmed through a one-way guest-room mirror. The opportunity for blackmail, particularly after Jack became president, pointed to the foolishness of our little adventure. Jack could never resist temptation. His name cropped up in 1963 in connection with the so-called Profumo debacle, in which an international vice ring nearly brought down the British government. He’d been linked to one of the women involved in the case. Had he lived, Jack would’ve been dragged through the mud. And there was the matter of Mary Pinchot Meyer, his last mistress, who was murdered in 1964 while walking along the towpath in Georgetown. Had he been alive, that case also would have come back to haunt Jack.”
RFK, long his brother’s bagman, almost certainly knew of the meeting in pre-Castro Cuba between Jack and Trafficante, as well as all the rest of JFK’s sordid dealings. Ultimately, according to Smathers, Bobby’s decision to discontinue his investigation into his brother’s assassination probably had less to do with the Mafia and more to do with his and Jackie Kennedy’s madcap affair following Jack’s death.
“At least, that’s what Ted Kennedy told me,” noted Smathers. “One of Bobby’s fears was that somebody would eventually leak information on the affair to the press. Too many people were in on the secret. Exposure in the media would have ruined any chance Bobby might have had of following in Jack’s presidential footsteps. Frankly, between the CIA and Bobby’s interlude with Jackie, it’s a wonder that none of it had already been exposed in the press.”
[David Heymann, Bobby and Jackie: a Love Story, pp. 117-118] (emphasis added)
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Former Federal Bureau of Narcotics agent Howard Diller on Robert Kennedy: his FBN participation, his drug use, his taking advantage of women busted for drugs for sex, his use of hookers (and not paying them)
[C. David Heymann, “RFK,” pp. 99-101]
Knocking down doors would become the least madcap of Bobby’s antics. “Robert Kennedy went along for more than just the ride,” recalled Diller. “Pretty soon, he began participating in some of the more illicit aspects of the drug busts, which might involve opium, heroin, hashish and/or cocaine. Other agents who hung out with Bobby, fellows named Jimmy Ceburi and Arthur Krueger, would purportedly come back with reports of him seizing bags of coke for his own use or, more probably, for distribution among his buddies [….]
Most of the people we busted were drug abusers, in places like Harlem and South Bronx. During the raids, the men would be taken to one room of the apartment, the women to another. It wasn’t uncommon for an agent to indulge in sex with one of the women, sometimes more than one. In exchange for their sexual favors, the women were often let go and not carted off to jail. Bobby caught on fast. I think he enjoyed the anonymous sex, because that way he really wasn’t cheating on Ethel – or at least that’s how he could [rationalize] it. Bobby thought nothing of fondling these women or having intercourse with them. Or he’d force them to engage in fellatio. Then afterward, he’d brag about it, just like the agents. […]
Amazingly, nobody has ever mentioned or even written about RFK’s close ties to the Bureau of Narcotics. What is truly ironic about his secret activities with the bureau is that soon thereafter he was named the attorney general of the United States, the top law-enforcement officer in the country. Yet here’s a man who raped and pillaged and stole, a man who presumably took drugs. Bobby loved the James Bond bullshit, the 007-type of stuff, and all the dirt that went with it. He struck me as basically schizophrenic, a man capable of great good and, at the same time, incredible evil. The Roman emperor Caligula seemed mild by comparison.” […]
I also saw Bobby take advantage of hookers. He loved hookers, he loved the New York City street life. He screwed the women for nothing by threatening to run them in if they didn’t come across, and that’s something he did until the day he died. Robert Kennedy was a strange admixture. He’d also pick up bums on the street and buy meals for them at that restaurant his father co-owned, La Caravelle.
One of the most unusual men I’ve ever known.
[C. David Heymann, “RFK,” pp. 99-101]
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RFK and his “sexual insatiability” when running for president 1968
“Faced with an ever-expanding list of Hollywood stellars who supposedly had been involved with JFK- Grace Kelly, Janet Leigh, Rhonda Fleming, Arlene Dahl and Monique Van Vooren were among the most recently cited – RFK made certain that his own conquests were of a lesser note. Langdon Marvin, who had been an aide to JFK, and who had procured numerous women for his boss, recalled doing the same for Bobby. “He was running for president, and while he evidently had a steady lover or two,” said Marvin, “he suddenly became as sexually insatiable as Jack had been. I provided a gaggle of women – airline hostesses, starlets, secretaries, and others. RFK had a penchant for nymphettes – underdeveloped women with unformed personalities. I called them the Kennedy Pack, after Frank Sinatra’s Rat Pack. Once, when Bobby stayed at the Carlyle, I sent him three fifteen-year-old private high school girls. ‘That’s the best present anybody ever gave me,’ he said. Afterward, he told me he’d watched the girls having sex among themselves.”
“Bobby’s faithful little coterie of followers wanted the world to believe that he was pure as snow, but RFK was a good old ‘chippie-chaser.’ One by one, he dated almost all of the ‘boiler-room’ girls, the entourage of young women who worked for him on the campaign trail.
“In January 1964, not long after Jack’s death, RFK asked me out to Hickory Hill. There, he handed me a packet of letters – maybe a dozen or so- and told me to ‘get rid of them.’ I should have saved them but I didn’t. I didn’t even read them. He admitted to me later that they were long missives both he and Jack had received from Marilyn Monroe.”
[David Heymann, “RFK,” pp. 473-474]
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Thank you, Robert, for your three sets of comments.
Yes, I have heard all of the information before; and it is consistent with what I know.
As indicated in my comments about RFK, Jr., immediately above yours, the recklessness continues. Among other things, perhaps they have (and have had) death wishes—for themselves and others.
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And by the way, Lyndon Johnson was more of a demented freak than all the Kennedys put together. And as you know, I know my Kennedy dirt.
Buy Roger Stone’s new book: http://www.amazon.com/The-Man-Who-Killed-Kennedy/dp/1626363137/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1378674558&sr=8-1&keywords=roger+stone
Sy Hersh’s book was important not just because it details how sexually unhinged JFK was, but also the war going on between the Kennedys and LBJ which ultimately led to the JFK assassination.
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Thank you again, Robert, for your comments.
Yes, I am well aware of Lyndon Johnson’s “evils.” He and his Vietnam War are the reasons why I ceased to be a Democrat, and have almost never voted for a Democrat since. Several of my friends died because of them.
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More About The Despicable John F. Kennedy
In an article entitled, “All the president’s women: Virgin interns. Prostitutes. White House pool sex sessions. 50 years after the murder of JFK, the jaw-dropping truth of the betrayal of Jackie,” the UK’s Daily Mail has reported:
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2467471/All-presidents-women-Virgin-interns-Prostitutes-White-House-pool-sex-sessions-50-years-murder-JFK-jaw-dropping-truth-betrayal-Jackie.html (emphasis in original); see also http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2540080/Jackie-Kennedy-affair-ballet-dancer-Rudolf-Nureyev-did-Bobby-Kennedy.html (“Jackie Kennedy ‘had an affair with ballet dancer Rudolf Nureyev and so did Bobby Kennedy’“) and http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/07/world/africa/mandela-politics.html (“The mythmakers who claim that a leader is beyond fault are ultimately seeking to shield a whole political class, and not just one individual, from the public scrutiny upon which democracy depends”)
John F. Kennedy was a fraud, pure and simple. When he died, his “image” was frozen in time, but the truth is grotesque. To lionize him is a crime, and unconscionable.
Kennedy was possibly the most morally corrupt and reckless president in American history, who came tragically close to bringing about a “nuclear winter” that might have destroyed the United States and other parts of the world. Also, he plunged America into the Vietnam War.
The thread that runs through Kennedy’s life is utter recklessness—which not only endangered his life, but the lives of those with whom he came into contact, including every American.
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Shalom,
Timothy you haven’t read 1 Kings 11:1-11 or Judges 19:25-26.
JFK was an adulterer – LBJ was a murderer:
When one of Mrs. Kennedy’s entourage suggested to the young widow that she should change her blood-stained clothes before the flight back to Washington with the Johnson party already installed on Air Force One, Jacqueline Kennedy fiercely resisted. No, she was not going to change, she replied,
“So they can see what they’ve done.”
Lee Harvey Oswald was not aboard Air Force One!
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It is very refreshing to read one’s own thoughts about the Kennedys echoed in such a convincing and well informed way.
I thank God that Khrushchev did the sensible thing and withdrew his missiles from Cuba, with the actions of the US Navy being tantamount to piracy prior to this event. It was the Russian who saved the world from nuclear obliteration, not the drug addled Kennedy, with his frequent visits from Dr “Feelgood”.
The morals of the Kennedy clan were a disgrace to the US in particular and civilisation in general. No stable system is ever built upon the serial sexual abuse of women, willing though those women may be. To take advantage of such women is to display a moral shallowness to the point of total transparency.
The “curse of the Kennedys” is entirely home grown.
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Thank you, Chris, for your thoughtful comments. I appreciate them, and agree with you.
The “curse of the Kennedys” began with the old man, Joseph P. Kennedy; and it has continued to the present day. They are a “star-crossed” family, and probably the most dysfunctional family to occupy higher political office in American history.
What is most fascinating is that the Kennedy Library in Cambridge, Massachusetts still refuses to allow conservative scholars access to its records, despite the fact that many records were destroyed and never reached the library. To a large extent, the library’s records were “sanitized” by the Kennedy faithful, to perpetuate the total myth of “Camelot.”
American media is still “lionizing” JFK on the anniversary of his assassination, which I assume will continue until the last of the true Kennedy sycophants is dead and buried.
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As Long As A Democrat Sits In The White House, America Will Become A Much More Dangerous Place
This is the conclusion of conservative pundit Ann Coulter:
See http://www.humanevents.com/2014/03/05/crimea-river/ (emphasis added); see also https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/john-f-kennedy-the-most-despicable-president-in-american-history/ (“John F. Kennedy: The Most Despicable President In American History”)
However, to be absolutely fair, the Republicans are not blameless either.
We have been through two wars, in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the American people are “bone tired” of wars, and rightly so. Our economic and human treasures have been spent in those wars; and we have led when no other country in the world was capable of leading.
I opposed the war in Iraq because, like so many others, I believed Saddam had WMDs that would be used against our brilliant and courageous military forces, like he had used them against Iran and the Kurds. I did not believe the cost was worth it.
In Afghanistan, we should have destroyed the poppy crops from Day One, which give rise to Heroin trafficking that funds the brutal Taliban. What the Taliban have done to women and young girls has been nothing less than savagery.
In the case of Putin, he is an “old school” Stalinist who learned his trade well as a KGB operative. He must be viewed in this context, not as some Westernized Russian democrat, which he is not.
He only understands raw power; and the niceties of diplomacy are a sign of weakness for him. Like Hitler and Stalin before him, he preys on weakness. To him, Barack Obama is a coward, who can be cowed.
Perhaps Putin has misjudged Obama; and finally Obama may rise to the occasion. Certainly, we have the capabilities to do so.
See, e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditures#Chart_by_country_or_organization; see also https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/02/09/russias-putin-is-a-killer/#comment-3765 (“The Defining Hour For Barack Obama And His Presidency“)
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With Additional Sordid Disclosures, The Totally Dysfunctional Kennedy Saga Continues
As if there were not enough evidence above, more disclosures have just come forth. The UK’s Daily Mail has reported:
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2640882/EXCLUSIVE-She-wait-allowed-seduce-creaky-French-elevator-Jackie-Kennedys-secret-lovers-revenge-JFK-William-Holden-steamy-night-Brando-forbidden-affairs-Bobby-AND-Teddy.html (“EXCLUSIVE – ‘She couldn’t wait and allowed him to seduce her in a creaky French elevator’: Bombshell book reveals Jackie Kennedy’s secret lovers, her revenge on JFK with William Holden, her steamy night with Brando and her forbidden affairs with Bobby AND Teddy”) (emphasis added)
On a personal note, I used to attend point-to-point races and other horsing events in the beautiful Virginia countryside west of Washington, D.C., with the ex-wife of an old friend of mine. She would show her horses, and compete at times, and I was along for the ride, purely as a friend.
One day I was walking alone through the crowd, and I came face to face with Jackie. She could not have been more than three feet away from me. I have been around lots of celebrities and famous people, having grown up in the shadow of Hollywood, and then working in Washington. But this time was different.
It was as though time had frozen in place, for Jackie looked just like she had on the day of JFK’s death. Her hair was almost exactly the same. She was walking alone too, and had no guards around her; and everyone seemed to be leaving her alone, which is what I did as well.
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Mr. Naegele: I’m enjoying your blog immensely, but for the sake of your own credibility and the edification of your readers, please refrain from citing anything by Darwin Porter. He is a pathological liar and his publisher, “Blood Moon,” is his boyfriend. No reputable publisher will touch him.
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Hello…..I’ve been “googling” for a while here and I just came to realize, that it seems to me, Joseph P Kennedy DID NOT attend his son John F Kennedy’s funeral? I see no evidence that he did.
Did he or did he not?
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Thank you for your comments and question.
On December 19, 1961—well before JFK’s death—the father suffered a massive stroke; and his health deteriorated thereafter until he died.
See, e.g., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_P._Kennedy,_Sr.#Illness_and_death
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In terms of pure evil and personal depravity goes, Lyndon Johnson was far, far more depraved than John Kennedy. It is not even close. LBJ was a psychopathic serial murderer (Sam Smithwick 1952, Henry Marshall 1961, John Kennedy 1963 and numerous other victims of LBJ’s personal hit man Malcolm Wallace). Not to mention LBJ orchestrating the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty – read the book Operation Cyanide for that. Then there is LBJ stealing 6 million troy ounces of gold from Victorio Peak in 1969 – first thing he did in retirement. Read the Gold House trilogy of books by John Clarence and Tom Whitten for that. As far as sexual depravity was concerned, LBJ and Bobby Baker were enabling so much “whoring around” that they owned an abortion clinic in Puerto Rico for that – see Roger Stone’s second edition of his “LBJ Did It” book.
Unlike serial rapist and CIA drug smuggler Bill Clinton – I don’t think JFK did anything like that. As for LBJ, his assaults on scores of secretaries were functional rapes.
So the bottom line is the author’s original post on the “most despicable president” in US history is not even close. It was Lyndon Johnson, with all the other criminals running a second by a country mile.
I request that that blog owner approve my post. I am expert on the JFK assassination and the politics of that era.
By the way, I know much dirt on the Kennedys, but they do not hold a candle to Lyndon Johnson.
– Robert Morrow
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Thank you for your comments.
There is no myth about LBJ today, as there is about JFK and the Kennedys. Johnson was and is hated by many for Vietnam, and the American deaths and injuries for which he was responsible.
I remember bumper stickers in Washington, D.C., toward the end of his presidency, which said:
The myth of “Camelot” still endures in some quarters, despite the true facts—which are sordid to say the least.
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More About The Totally Immoral Kennedys [UPDATED]
The UK’s Daily Mail has reported:
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2646535/Exclusive-I-spending-rest-life-Jack-Kennedy-Jackie-wanted-divorce-serial-cheating-husband-Marilyn-Monroe-straw.html (“Jackie Kennedy wanted to divorce her philandering husband and was given $1m to stay—but then came Marilyn Monroe and she was the last straw, claims sensational new book“) (emphasis added); see also https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/john-f-kennedy-the-most-despicable-president-in-american-history/#comment-4849 (“With Additional Sordid Disclosures, The Totally Dysfunctional Kennedy Saga Continues“) and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2666153/RFK-affair-celebrity-plastic-surgeons-wife-fianc-es-wanted-trade-Kennedy.html (“RFK Jr had ‘affair with celebrity plastic surgeon’s wife behind fiancée Cheryl Hines’ back’—because she wanted to ‘trade up’ to a Kennedy”) and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2690770/RFK-Jrs-wife-discovered-kept-list-40-suspected-mistresses-cell-phone-including-bride-Cheryl-Hines-just-weeks-killed-herself.html (“RFK Jr’s wife ‘discovered he kept a list of more than 40 suspected mistresses on his cell phone including bride-to-be Cheryl Hines just weeks before she killed herself’“) and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2770819/EXCLUSIVE-Haunted-gory-flashbacks-JFK-s-assassination-Jackie-Kennedy-sought-solace-vodka-slept-architect-designed-husband-s-tombstone-sensational-new-book-reveals.html (“Haunted by gory flashbacks of JFK’s assassination Jackie Kennedy sought solace in vodka… and then she slept with the architect who designed her husband’s tombstone, sensational new book reveals“) and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3154984/Was-JFK-bigamist-eve-Jackie-Kennedy-s-86th-birthday-mystery-president-married-Palm-Beach-socialite-lingers.html (“Was JFK a bigamist? On the eve of what would have been Jackie Kennedy’s 86th birthday the mystery over whether the president was FIRST married to a Palm Beach socialite still lingers“)
As I concluded in the article above:
. . . except for his depravity and utter recklessness.
The Kennedys have been and continue to be America’s most disgusting and immoral family.
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Neither JFK or RFK (or any other Kennedy) actually gave a damn about the USA or its people except for how it served their interest. “social justice” was just cynical pandering to blacks. Black and poor rural whites votes were cynically bought with welfare. I really get sick of the Kennedys portrayed as some sort of Christ-like figures. They were just hard-core, cut-throat, power hungry politicians. Period. And their deaths DID “idealize and enlarge them beyond what they were in life” to paraphrase Teddy.
In fact, Teddy’s eulogy was written by political aids that sought to use the eulogy for the very purpose of perpetuating and enhancing the myth of the Kennedys as “selfless public servants”. The only meaning of the word “servant” they knew were the servants that worked in their homes and their sycophantic political staffs filled with young, stupid liberals. JFK was a disaster and if RFK had become president, nothing of consequence would have changed for the better. In fact, he would have been a weak president like his brother- with a divided party that was crumbling. Ironically, only their deaths bailed them out of the realities of their weaknesses, and gave their admirers the luxury and [license] to assign greatness to them simply for “what could have been”.
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Thank you, Mike, for your comments. I agree completely.
I would only add to what you have written:
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As I have stated before, I disagree with the premise of this blog post condemning John Kennedy as the most despicable president in USA history. I think that is absurd based on what we know about Lyndon Johnson now. LBJ had a personal hitman Malcolm Wallace (google him) and he as wiping out folks in Texas long before he became president. LBJ orchestrated the murder of Ag official Henry Marshall in June, 1961 while LBJ was vice president. LBJ murdered John Kennedy – I suggest reading the second edition of Roger Stone’s blockbuster book The Man Who Killed Kennedy: The Case Against LBJ. LBJ pushed the escalation button at every step and drove and unwilling nation into Vietnam, something Kennedy was loathe to do. Most historians have finally come around to the belief that JFK probably would not have gone into Vietnam in the way LBJ did. LBJ also orchestrated the Israeli attack on the USS Liberty in June 1967- an act that murdered 34 American sailors and wounded another 171 and puts LBJ in the Hitler/Stalin category. LBJ also stole 2 million troy ounces of gold from Victorio Peak in spring 1969 after he left office – read John Clarence’s Gold House for that.
Roger Stone hates the Kennedys as much as you do and he will tell you Lyndon Johnson was the lowest form of human excrement ever to be in the White House. I agree with Stone.
Btw, Lee Harvey Oswald was US intelligence, an FBI informer and he shot no one on 11/22/63.
And also, LBJ, the Kennedys and Richard Nixon all had deep mob connections. And LBJ was every bit the deranged man-whore that JFK and Bill Clinton were. Many people, McGeorge Bundy, Bill Moyers, Richard Goodwin, the Secret Service have all commented on Lyndon Johnson’s scary mental instabilities – he really was a functional lunatic – something John Kennedy was not.
Without offering any defense of the Kennedys, I say Lyndon Johnson beats them by a country mile in the depravity department. Not even close.
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Thank you for your kind words . . . from Germany. 🙂
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Timothy D. Naegele…Point 1. JFK gave his life literally to America- the very country which betrayed him and cut him down in such a brutal manner. Regardless of policies you disliked or actions taken behind closed doors such as the infidelity, he died trying to make your country better. He was a man…we all make mistakes bar you of course Naegele it would appear. Point 2. Why the hatred and what is the point? Jfk never got to see his children grow up or say goodbye or realise his dreams and here are you destroying his legacy after death? You’re a disgrace. I suspect that when you die very few will notice or care. I find your hatred of the Kennedys very interesting? Your views and obsession with everything anti Kennedy speaks volumes. I have read numerous books both for and against the Kennedys and you can’t deny the facts. I have zero allegiance to the kennedys being British, particularly after joe kennedys views on us but I am fascinated by history and amazed that the murder of one your best presidents remains covered up by your people/government. It’s a disgrace and a tragedy. The vast American public are still asleep. JFK was a very clever, astute man who threatened all that you appear to stand for based on your attack..profit, profit and more profit. He was making changes which would have changed America for ever- for the better might I add but clearly it couldn’t be allowed. Why don’t you waste your time writing about how Bush junior the ultimate embarrassment to your country and forever a smudge on your history, fixed his votes for election, sent Americans to their death in Iraq, and provided hours and hours of laughter to the world instead? How about you take shots at his cocaine and alcohol abuse? No….you’re writing instead about a man who stopped nuclear war by making up his own mind instead of listening to the military industrial complex who wanted to make dollars….you’re slating the very man who took on the corrupt ‘morally bankrupt’, institutes of America and paid the ultimate price. Your motivation for the utter ‘crap’, you have written is very suspect and quite telling. Will America ever awaken from the nightmare of 22 November 1963? Clearly not.
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Thank you, Neil, for your thoughtful comments.
Like you, I was once a JFK “true believer,” but those days are long gone. He and his presidency were fraudulent and dishonorable; and there is no other way to describe him and it.
Please do not rely on my beliefs. Above are massive sources that totally bear out my conclusions. Please read all of them carefully, as I have done; and then see if your judgments have changed.
The myth of “Camelot” was created shortly after his death, and it persists in some quarters even to this day. However, as more generations pass, fewer and fewer people around the world have heard his name, much less know anything about him.
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How Joseph P. Kennedy Killed His Daughter Rosemary [UPDATED]
The UK’s Daily Mail has an article that is worth reading, which describes what the senior Kennedy did to his daughter:
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3219935/How-Joseph-Kennedy-mentally-disabled-daughter-Rosemary-lobotomized-prevent-sexual-exploits-damaging-sons-political-careers.html (“The Kennedy dynasty’s darkest secret revealed: Book claims Joseph Kennedy had his mentally disabled daughter Rosemary lobotomized to prevent her ‘sexual exploits’ from damaging his sons’ political careers”) (emphasis added); see also http://www.wsj.com/articles/the-saddest-story-ever-told-1443819842 (“The Saddest Story Ever Told”)
The Kennedys have been and continue to be America’s most disgusting and immoral family.
How could any father do what Joseph P. Kennedy did to his daughter Rosemary? And the same is true of Rose Kennedy.
The tragic result was much like an abortion: a human being was effectively killed, and discarded.
See https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2012/12/20/abortions-and-autos-kill-more-in-america-than-guns/#comment-7564 (“The Price Of Fetal Parts“)
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I just want to re-iterate, like I always do, that no matter how scummy the Kennedys were, serial murderer and mass murderer, the psychotic Lyndon Johnson has them all lapped by a country mile, as he does the Clintons, the Bushes and Richard Nixon, who was a choir boy compared to what LBJ did. Having said that, thanks for posting the book, I will get it. LBJ gave us Vietnam (no it was not JFK), he murdered at least 17 people individually as Cliff Carter told Billie Sol Estes, LBJ orchestrated the USS Liberty murders in June, 1967 as he tried to murder all 294 on board to blame it on Egypt; LBJ stole 2 million troy ounces of gold from Victorio Peak in 1969. LBJ wins “most despicable” and a baseball game that gets called after the 15 run rule in 3 innings.
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Ted Kennedy’s Disabling Alcoholism
The UK’s Daily Mail has a article about Patrick Kennedy’s new book that discusses his father Ted’s alcoholism:
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3259651/The-real-Kennedy-s-curse-U-S-Senator-Ted-alcoholic-suffering-PTSD-claims-son-Patrick-says-family-plagued-drink-brother-disagrees.html (“The REAL Kennedy curse: Patrick says ‘disabling alcoholism’ claimed the life of his senator father Ted, his mother, his sister – and left HIM passed out on Air Force One…. but shock claims infuriate the rest of the clan“) (emphasis added); see also https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/john-f-kennedy-the-most-despicable-president-in-american-history/#comment-7650 (“How Joseph P. Kennedy Killed His Daughter Rosemary“)
The Kennedys have been and continue to be America’s most disgusting and immoral family.
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Without PT 109, America Has No President John F. Kennedy
The UK’s Daily Mail has reported:
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3262024/My-story-collision-getting-better-time-ve-got-Jew-n-r-John-F-Kennedy-revealed-father-exploited-PT-109-incident-make-son-hero-pave-road-White-House.html (“‘My story about the collision is getting better all the time. Now I’ve got a Jew and a n****r…’ How John F. Kennedy revealed his father exploited the PT 109 incident to make his son a hero and pave the road to the White House“) (emphasis added); see also http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3269576/How-Ethel-Kennedy-abandoned-son-Bobby-Jr-spiked-family-s-milk-laxative-turned-JFK-s-gay-best-friend-claimed-gave-President-oral-sex-surrogate-father.html (“JFK chum Lem Billings . . . claimed that his relationship with JFK was ‘a friendship that included oral sex, with Jack always on the receiving end’“)
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Dear Mr. Naegele
I was a very young boy when Jack Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas. There are a few things I do remember about him and his election, but especially his murder. It caused a great impact on me and, I guess as you, started admiring him.
This has lead for me to buy and read many books on Jack. There are many negative things in which you are indisputably correct. Yes he was a womanizer. He’d go at anything that was female. Yes his father was basically a criminal. Yes his mother made a dysfunction family, yes his criminal father groomed him for the presidency, yes he was involved with the mafia, yes it seems his father recruited the mafia bosses in Chicago to help him win the 1960 election en Illinois and West Virginia, yes Jack Kennedy may have been to some extension corrupt, and so on. All this is true.
But I do respectfully disagree with you on several political issues during the Kennedy administration. I am not a United States national and today I do not live in the United States. I was living in San Francisco, California at that time due to a diplomatic position my father held and so I have a different vision and perspective to a citizen of the United States. I am a historian with a MA in political science and I am at this moment writing a book, in my language, on JFK.
As you have said Jack was humiliated beyond words at the Bay of Pigs. He said himself: “How could I have been so stupid”. But that wasn’t his fault.
He did have a very great standoff with the military, the CIA, JCS, NSA, etc etc. for military actions he did not permit in Vietnam, Laos, Cuba and Berlin. I think you have forgotten that many great US patriots were Cold Warriors and right wing radicals which tried at almost any cost, to drive the US into a war with the Soviets, but it is through JFK and Khrushchev’s stubbornness that it was prevented.
JFK’s policies made many enemies. Let´s not forget the 4th of June 63 Executive Order 11110 for the US Treasury to produce the US Notes to end with the Silver Certificates produced by the Federal Reserve, and the 10th of June Peace speech at the American University, his drive for the elimination of the Oil Depletion and other tax reform, his speech to the nation on September on civil rights, and the 11th of October NSAM 263 to start pulling military advisers out of Vietnam basically prove he was committed in giving the US a huge change. Such a great change that maybe the great nation was not yet ready to make.
His approach to Latin America with the Alliance for Progress was something the Latin Americans had been asking for, for decades. He was cheered and loved in every city he visited when only a few years back, Nixon had been spat on and booed, his car stoned and clubbed through the streets of Caracas.
I also agree with you that his early demise turned the man into a myth but most of all, it gives us the idea of great change taking place, so great that to avoid it, it was necessary to change the government. Kennedy was not assassinated because he took up mistresses; he was assassinated because of the policies he pursued.
Best Regards
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Thank you, Mariano, for your comments.
Cutting to the chase, I believe he was assassinated by Lee Harvey Oswald not for any policy reasons.
Also, I believe the thread that runs through his life is that of a totally despicable human being. He was never elected as our president; Nixon was. And Kennedy’s health was such that he might have died naturally before he could be reelected to a second term.
The Kennedys have destroyed documents, and denied access at the Kennedy Library to conservative scholars and others who might be very critical of JFK’s presidency and the man himself.
I have not changed my conclusion one iota that he was and is the most despicable president in America’s history. I do not believe he is worth writing about except as I have done in the article above and my comments beneath it.
The same thing is true of the rest of the Kennedys, who constitute the most dysfunctional prominent family in American history. It is not too farfetched to say that they have been a blight on America, which thankfully has run its course, at least until authors like you write your next tome.
Good luck. You might wish to pick another, more positive subject.
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This comment about Lee Oswald disqualifies you as an expert on JFK. Lee was actually standing in the entry to the TSBD when the motorcade passed. He not only cannot have been “the lone gunman”, he cannot have been one o[f] the shooters, of whom I have identified six, the shots they took and their hits.
Here is summary reflecting your vast ignorance of the subjects that you address . . . Why you persist and persist with this rubbish is beyond me.
SATURDAY, DECEMBER 28, 2013
SIX JFK SHOOTERS, INCLUDING THREE TIED TO CIA, NAMED BY ASSASSINATION AUTHORITY
by Sherwood Ross (with Jim Fetzer)
Six shooters who participated in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, including three with ties to the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), were named by a prominent critic of the Warren Commission Report (WCR). Remarkably, Lee Harvey Oswald, the Warren Commission’s lone-assassin-designate, was not among them.
During an interview published this past Nov. 20th in The Santa Barbara Independent, WCR critic/researcher Dr. James Fetzer of Madison, WI, and Chairman of the Oswald Innocence Campaign, revealed the names of five of those who appear to have been shooters, where he has identified the sixth separately:
(1) The first shot that hit, which struck Kennedy in the back, appears to have been fired from the top of the County Records Building by Dallas Deputy Sheriff Harry Weatherford. He used a 30.06 to fire a Mannlicher-Carcano (MC) bullet fitted with a plastic collar known as a sabot, which hit JFK 5.5″ below the shoulder just to the right of the spinal column. This was a shallow wound with no point of exit.
(2) Jack Lawrence, a U.S. Air Force expert, who had gone to work for the automobile dealership that provided vehicles for the presidential motorcade just a few days before the assassination, fired the shot that passed through the windshield and struck JFK in the throat from the south end of the Triple Underpass.
(3) Nestor “Tony” Izquierdo, an anti-Castro Cuban recruited by the CIA, fired the shot that hit JFK in the back of the head after the limousine was brought to a halt. He fired three shots with two misses using a Mannlicher-Carcano, which were the only unsilenced shots fired, from the Dal-Tex Building, which housed a uranium mining corporation, Dallas Uranium and Oil, that was a CIA front.
(4) Roscoe White, a Dallas police officer with ties to the CIA, fired from the grassy knoll adjoining the motorcade route, but seems to have “pulled his shot,” Fetzer said, “because it would have hit Jackie, so his shot went into the grass.” His son subsequently discovered his diary, but gave it to the FBI and it has not been seen since.
(5) Malcolm “Mac” Wallace, who shot from the Dallas Book Depository, may have murdered a dozen people for Lyndon B. Johnson. “Mac” appears to have fired from the west side of the book depository at Texas Governor John Connally in the mistaken belief he was Sen. Ralph Yarborough, whom LBJ despised. Wallace’s fingerprint was found on one of the boxes in the “assassin’s lair” in the book depository from which Oswald allegedly fired.
(6) Frank Sturgis, later complicit in the Watergate robbery, who also appears to have been connected to the CIA, is said by Fetzer to have fired from the north end of the Triple Underpass the shot that entered Kennedy’s right temple. Sturgis is known to have ties to Meyer Lansky, a notorious crime syndicate kingpin, and confessed his role to a New York City Gold Shield Detective when he was arrested attempting to kill Marita Lorenz.
In his interview with the Santa Barbara “Independent,” Fetzer said “there were shooters at six different locations,” with a total of up to 10 shots fired, three of which missed. He asserted JFK was hit four different times: in the back from behind, in the throat from in front, and twice in the head after the driver had brought the car to a halt to make sure he would be killed. Another shot missed and injured bystander James Tague, while “one or more shots hit Connally.”
By contrast, the Warren Commission concluded that a single bullet struck Kennedy in the back, exited through his throat and then wounded Connelly. Fetzer explained that the “magic bullet” theory propounded by the Warren Commission is not only false but provably false and not even anatomically possible, because cervical vertebrae intervene.
Ruth Paine, who appears to have been working for the CIA, arranged for Oswald to go to work for at book depository “just weeks before the assassination, which was part of the whole project to set him up as a patsy,” Fetzer said. Right up to the time of the assassination, Oswald was a paid FBI informant, collecting $200 a month, which explains why his W-2 forms have never been released by the government.
As for the motivation to kill JFK, Fetzer noted that he was threatening to shatter the CIA into a thousand pieces, that the Joint Chiefs believed he was soft on communism, that the Mafia was unhappy because Attorney General Robert Kennedy was cracking down on organized crime, that he was going to abolish the FED and cut the oil depletion allowance.
Fetzer said Vice President Johnson, who had forced his way onto the ticket with JFK in Los Angeles in order to succeed him when he would be taken out, “was a pivotal player” facilitating the assassination. LBJ sent his chief administrative assistant, Cliff Carter, down to Dallas to make sure all the arrangements for the assassination were in place. And his close friend, J. Edgar Hoover, used the FBI to cover it up.
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Fetzer said further there where “more than 15 indications of Secret Service complicity in setting Kennedy up for the hit”: two agents assigned to the President’s limousine were left behind at Love Field; that JFK’s limousine, which should have been in the middle of the motorcade, was put first; that the motorcycle escort was reduced to four and instructed not to ride ahead of the limousine’s rear wheels; and after the first shots were fired, the driver pulled the limo to the left and stopped.
What’s more, Fetzer produced an AP photograph that appears to show Oswald standing in doorway of the book depository at the time JFK was shot. They may be compared with Oswald’s photograph taken later that afternoon in Dallas police headquarters. When questioned, Oswald told Dallas homicide detective Will Fritz that during the shooting he had been standing with Bill Shelley, one of his supervisors, in front of the building.
Note the missing left shoulder and the figure who is in front of and behind the man in the doorway at the same time, which are obvious indications the photo has been altered. Facial features have been distorted, but the clothing is the key. “If you look at the height, weight, build, and the clothing he’s wearing—especially the highly unusual shirt and the t-shirt he has on—they correspond very closely to what Oswald was wearing when he was arrested,” Fetzer said.
For more proof that the man in the doorway (Doorman) was Lee Oswald, visit the Oswald Innocence Campaign on-line. While they altered features of Doorman’s face, the only other candidates for having been there were not wearing comparable clothing or did not fit the height, weight and build of the man in the doorway. When you consider the totality of the evidence, no alternative explanation is reasonable.
In his Santa Barbara Independent interview, Fetzer said public opinion polls “have shown over the years that as much as 85 percent of the public has expressed disagreement with the Warren Commission and the lone assassin theory.” Fetzer elaborated on the points he made in great detail during his keynote address, “The Assassination of America”, for the Santa Barbara JFK conference that he organized and moderated. . . .
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Thank you for your comments.
The first thing that I did as a young attorney with the U.S. Senate Banking Committee was to staff a presidential commission. While it was not a criminal inquiry, much less of the magnitude of the Warren Commission, it was an important undertaking.
Before that, I had served as a U.S. Army Captain at the Pentagon, assigned to the Defense Intelligence Agency, which is the military counterpart of the CIA. The two agencies work very closely together.
The theories about JFK’s death are almost endless; and it is unlikely that the truth will ever be known, much less with certainty. It is even more bizarre than the theories surrounding the Teamster Jimmy Hoffa’s death.
I appreciate the fact that you have shared your theories here.
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Thank you Tim:
I guess you’re probably right about the Kennedys at the JFK Library. If he´d been my father or relative, I would also try to keep a lid on the myth. Never in US history had the US government been more admired and respected all over the world. During those short 1000 days, anti-imperialist protesters put away their “Yankee go home” speeches and yelled at the top of their lungs “Welcome President Kennedy”.
But if you believe Lee Harvey Oswald was the crazy, lone assassin, without a motive, you believe there was no conspiracy, you consider Jim Garrison an incompetent, you believe in the magic bullet theory and can prove it is factual, you believe the Warren Commission was a serious investigation, you disagree with members John Sherman Cooper, Richard Russel Jr. and Hale Boggs doubts, and the HSCA conclusions and as a lawyer, you believe there was more than enough evidence to condemn Oswald for murder in a courthouse.
With all due respect I must say that, it is one of the great things of living in a democracy. You can believe anything you want and say it out loud. I respect and admire you for that.
Best Regards
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Thank you again, Mariano, for your comments and kind words.
With respect to the “cover-up,” among other things it goes to the state of JFK’s health before his death. Again, it has been suggested that he would not have lived to run for reelection; and that the drugs he was taking and his STDs were major issues unto themselves.
Perhaps some day, the Kennedy Library archives will be opened fully. But even then, countless documents were destroyed that might have shed light on all of the issues discussed in my article above, and the comments beneath it.
With respect to the assassination itself, we will never know for certain. While I accept the Warren Commission’s findings, I realize too that other theories may have validity.
Regarding a “global love” for America during his presidency and now, what people from other countries often do not realize is that as a whole, the American people are very insular in their thinking. They do not care what others think about them, at all. Many have never traveled far from where they were born and raised, much less abroad.
In a very real sense, they view the United States as an island bounded by the Atlantic and Pacific Oceans. This explains the “America First” doctrine that is embraced by so many, and why Donald Trump is resonating and likely to be our next president. Americans are tired of being the “policeman of the world,” and they want to concentrate on their own towns, states, regions and country.
Two wars for nothing, in Vietnam and Iraq, drove these feelings home in spades. Almost 60,000 Americans died in Vietnam, and thousands died in Iraq, while thousands more were maimed for life and trillions of dollars were wasted.
I blame JFK for launching us into the Vietnam War. Because of it, Lyndon Johnson was so hated that he could not run for reelection in 1968. There were bumper stickers on cars in Washington, D.C. that asked: “Where is Lee Harvey Oswald now that we really need him?” The Bushes have fallen in the public’s esteem because of the Iraq War, which many feel was foisted on us by Israel and its “neocon” surrogates.
Today, the United States is the largest energy producer in the world, and essentially energy independent. Many if not most Americans would vigorously oppose another war in the Middle East, even if Israel’s survival was at stake.
Again, Trump has tapped into the American “mood,” and his rival Bernie Sanders has too, with his anti-establishment campaign. Both have been riding a wave of rage, which shows no sign of ebbing anytime soon.
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Just laughable. Lee Harvey Oswald, the pre-selected patsy of LBJ-CIA for the JFK assassination, shot no one on 11-22-63. I suggest reading Roger Stone’s book on this topic.
Lyndon Johnson murdered JFK.
Lee Harvey Oswald was U.S. intelligence and he shot NO ONE on 11/22/63.
1) “Oswald and the CIA” book by John Newman
2) “The Last Investigtion: What Insiders Know about the Assassination of JFK” by Gaeton Fonzi
3) “Spy Saga: Lee Harvey Oswald and US Intelligence” book by Philip Melanson
4) “History Will Not Absolve Us” by Martin Schotz (Chapter 5 “Oswald and U.S. Intelligence” by Christopher Sharrett)
5) “Me and Lee” book by Judyth Vary Baker (Oswald’s mistress in New Orleans, summer 1963)
6) “Crossfire” by Jim Marrs “Was Oswald a Spy” – p. 189. “Did Oswald Work for the FBI” – p. 226
7) “Destiny Betrayed” by Jim DiEugenio, Chapter 7 “On Instructions from His Government” (2012 edition)
8) “A Certain Arrogance: U.S. Intelligence’s Manipulation of Religious Groups and Individuals in Two World Wars and the Cold War – and the Sacrificing of Lee Harvey Oswald” book by George Michael Evica
9) “Accessories After the Fact” by Sylvia Meagher, Chapter 19 “Oswald and the State Department’”
10) “Coup D’Etat in America: The CIA and the Assassination of John F. Kennedy” by Alan Weberman & Michael Canfield, Chapter 3 “Was Oswald a CIA Agent?”
11) “Oswald in New Orleans: Case for Conspiracy with the CIA” by Harold Weisberg
12) “Oswald: The Truth” by Joachim Joesten (1967)
13) Chapter 9 “Fingerprints of Intelligence” in “Reasonable Doubt” by Henry Hurt
14) Chapter 14 “Oswald and the CIA” in “Oswald: Assassin or Fall Guy” by Joachim Joesten
15) Chapter 12 ”Was Oswald a Government Agent” in “Breach of Trust: How the Warren Commission Failed the Nation and Why” by Gerald McKnight
16) Chapter 13 “Spies” in “Farewell America” by James Hepburn
17) Google “Lee Harvey Oswald’s reading habits summer 1963” by Judyth Vary Baker
18) Google ”Lee Harvey Oswald—a U.S. Intelligence Agent: The Evidence by Hal Verb”
19) Google “The Death of a President by Eric Norden in The Minority of One, Jan, 1964”
20) “The Search for Lee Harvey Oswald” by Robert Groden
21) “I am a Patsy! I am a Patsy!” by George De Mohrenschildt
22) Google “Oswald and the FBI” by Harold Feldman, The Nation January, 1964, pp 86-89
23) “Missing Links: Oswald: Footprints of Intelligence” in Missing Links in the JFK Assassination Conspiracy by Ralph D. Thomas, pp. 80-98.
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Thank you for your comments, and sources.
The readers of this blog can make up their own minds.
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Do you know what “COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE” is? That is what Oswald was: US military/CIA COUNTER-INTELLIGENCE with a **fake public persona** of a pro-Castro Marxist. His bosses used him like a pawn on a chessboard, frame him for JFK’s murder, then kill him in 48 hours, then LBJ-CIA-FBI posthumously frame this guy.
LBJ and Hoover were blood brothers. The Kennedys were out to destroy Johnson and the CIA/military were enraged over Cuba policy and no US invasion at the Bay of Pigs or during the Cuban Missile crisis.
Ultra right winger Antonio Veciana spotted Oswald in Dallas 2 months before JFK assassination with HIS CIA handler David Atlee Phillips aka “Maurice Bishop”
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Ethel Kennedy Knew Husband Bobby Had Affair With Widow Jackie Kennedy
The UK’s Daily Mail has reported:
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3635984/There-no-monogamy-Kennedy-clan-Ethel-Kennedy-knew-husband-Bobby-serial-cheater-counted-actresses-Kim-Novak-Lee-Remick-widow-Jackie-Kennedy-lovers.html (“‘There was no monogamy in the Kennedy clan.’ Ethel Kennedy knew husband Bobby was a serial cheater who had affairs with actresses Kim Novak and Lee Remick – AND widow Jackie Kennedy”) (emphasis added)
The Kennedys were and are pure trailer trash, and the very worst of America and U.S. politics.
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The Kennedys Were And Are Sickos
The UK’s Daily Mail has reported:
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3857356/Matriarch-Rose-Kennedy-punished-kids-time-outs-closet-nanny-banged-heads-against-wall-sleep-reveals-JFK-s-living-sibling-Jean-88-memoir.html (“Matriarch Rose Kennedy punished her kids with time outs in her closet and the nanny would bang the boys’ heads against the wall to get them to sleep, reveals JFK’s only living sibling Jean, 88, in memoir“) (emphasis added)
As my article above and the comments beneath it underscore, the Kennedys were and are sickos, not a family to be admired, much less loved.
This “puff piece” does not change any of that.
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You would think you would be able to put your German Presbyterian past behind you and move on. Your family probably gave money to the Oswald’s through your Presbyterian Church after the JFK assassination just like the Fred Trump family. The idea for the Muslims cheering after 911 probably came from the Trump family and your family cheering on November 23, 1963. Awful human beings. Truly the bottom of the barrel.
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Thank you for your comments.
Did you bother to read the article above, and all of the comments beneath it?
If you did, or even read a fraction of the comments, it is inescapable that JFK was by far the most despicable president in our history, and that his brother Bobby was equally as bad. And yes, the apple does not fall far from the tree: the entire family is white trash.
There is not one redeeming fact about JFK except his speeches and books, which were ghost written by Ted Sorensen.
JFK was a total fraud, who was sufficiently reckless that he almost brought about a “nuclear winter,” which might have destroyed the United States and parts of the world.
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Jackie Kennedy Was Cold And Detached
The UK’s Daily Mail has reported:
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4512352/Jackie-Kennedy-cold-detached-new-biography-reveals.html (“Behind the façade of a soft-spoken, demure First Lady, Jackie Kennedy was an aloof, calculating woman who hosted raucous parties, considered herself royalty and left it to the nanny to tell her children about their father’s assassination“) (emphasis added)
The Kennedys were and are pure scum, all of them—as the article above and the extensive comments beneath it underscore.
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HOW HYPOCRITICAL: A KENNEDY PROPOSES ZERO TOLERANCE IN WEINSTEIN WAKE [UPDATED]
[Ted Kennedy and Mary Jo Kopechne]
The Hollywood Reporter has opined sanctimoniously:
See http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/kathleen-kennedy-demands-zero-tolerance-policies-wake-weinstein-allegations-1049421 (“Kathleen Kennedy Proposes Industry Commission and ‘Zero Tolerance’ In Wake of Weinstein Claims“) (emphasis added)
Kathleen Kennedy has been a “power player” in Hollywood for decades. Why has she been silent all of these years?
She must think that the world is stupid not to realize that she knew exactly what happened in Hollywood for young women to get ahead. For her to come forward only now, when the Weinstein saga is front and center in global news, smacks of hypocrisy.
As my article above and the extensive comments beneath it document, the Kennedys—her surname, albeit not her immediate family—have been some of the biggest abusers of women in the history of the United States.
Also, if she knew anything about how Washington works, she would realize that “commissions” are convened to bury issues from scrutiny, and buy time, not to resolve them, much less expeditiously.
See also https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/09/24/washington-is-sick-and-the-american-people-know-it/#comment-10901 (“HOLLYWOOD HAS BEEN SICK FOR DECADES“) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Jo_Kopechne (“Mary Jo Kopechne“) and https://www.thedailybeast.com/hollywoods-other-open-secret-besides-harvey-weinstein-preying-on-young-boys (“Hollywood’s Other ‘Open Secret’ Besides Harvey Weinstein: Preying on Young Boys“) and http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/harvey-weinstein-resigns-weinstein-board-1049387 (“Harvey Weinstein Resigns from The Weinstein Co. Board“) and http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/bob-weinstein-sexual-harassment-1202592165/ (“Bob Weinstein Accused of Sexual Harassment by TV Showrunner“) and http://people.com/movies/watch-ted-kennedys-life-get-derailed-in-exclusive-chappaquiddick-trailer/ (“Watch Ted Kennedy’s Life Get Derailed in Exclusive Chappaquiddick Trailer“)
As evil as Harvey Weinstein, Roman Polanski and others have been, the Kennedys were far more evil.
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There is no doubt that the Kennedys were deranged sex freaks, but I would like to point out that Lyndon Johnson would often say that he got more women by accident than JFK got with intention. And I will say I don’t see how the Kennedys were more evil than Harvey Weinstein who has set the bar pretty high or Roman Polanski, who apparently was a serial rapist of children.
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JFK Cheated In Even The Most Minor Ways
Kerry O’Shea has written for the IrishCentral:
See https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/john-f-kennedy-snagged-1200-cuban-cigars-before-ordering-us-trade-embargo-on-cuba-video-139004464-237788511 (“How JFK snagged 1,200 Cuban cigars before the trade embargo“) (emphasis added; video omitted; article was published originally in July 2015)
JFK cheated in every way imaginable. This is merely one relatively minor example.
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MORE TRASH ABOUT THE KENNEDYS
Tom Leonard has written for the UK’s Daily Mail:
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5401615/The-sisters-competed-snare-worlds-richest-men.html (“Sisters who competed to snare the world’s richest men: Schooled by their ruthless mother to seek out power and money, a new book reveals the bitter jealousy between Jackie O and her sister Lee which led to both of them sleeping with JFK”) (emphasis added)
Each and every one of them: total trailer trash.
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On a personal note, I used to attend “point-to-point” horse races with a female friend who competed in them, in the Virginia countryside west of Washington, D.C., which is beautiful.
One day, my friend was preparing for an event and I was walking alone in a throng of people, when all of a sudden I came face to face with Jackie Kennedy. She was alone too; and we were not more than ten feet apart.
What struck me the most about the brief encounter, years after JFK’s assassination, was that it was like a time warp. Her hair and look were seemingly “frozen in time,” and almost exactly how she looked on that fateful day in Dallas.
It was truly bizarre . . . but then, “Camelot” had been dead for many years.
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The Kennedy Brothers Killed Mary Jo Kopechne [UPDATED]
Jerry Oppenheimer—a New York Times bestselling author who wrote two books about the Kennedys—has written for the UK’s Daily Mail:
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5582233/How-Mary-Jo-Kopechne-victim-Kennedys-TWICE.html (“The real story of how Mary Jo Kopechne was a victim of the Kennedys TWICE: Secretary killed at Chappaquiddick had been yet another target of RFK’s insatiable sexual appetite before his assassination“) (emphasis added)
As discussed in my article and comments above, RFK bedded Marilyn Monroe and Jackie Kennedy, among countless others.
All of the Kennedys were sexual predators and trailer trash.
Indeed, the one thread that runs through the Kennedys is total corruption and depravity.
They set the bar, under which LBJ, Bill Clinton, Harvey Weinstein, Roman Polanski, Bill Cosby and Tiger Woods crawled.
The treason and criminality of Barack Obama, the Clintons, Robert Mueller, James Comey, Eric Holder, Loretta Lynch, Rod Rosenstein and so many others is truly “Kennedy-esque.”
See, e.g., https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2018/03/11/robert-mueller-should-be-executed-for-treason/ (“Robert Mueller Should Be Executed For Treason“) and https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2017/10/20/the-real-russian-conspiracy-barack-obama-the-clintons-and-the-sale-of-americas-uranium-to-russias-killer-putin/ (“The Real Russian Conspiracy: Barack Obama, The Clintons, And The Sale Of America’s Uranium To Russia’s Killer Putin”)
Only when these most-recent malfeasors pay the ultimate price, will our wonderful country be purged of such corruption and restored to greatness. Lessons need to be taught that will reverberate for generations to come.
Never forget that RFK ran and abused the DOJ for his brother, JFK. And Teddy was a killer who was lionized in the corridors of Congress after Mary Jo’s tragic death. I know, because our Senate offices were right next to his, and I saw it happen.
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The Despicable Ethel Kennedy Treated Her Immigrant Servants Like Dogs [UPDATED]
Jerry Oppenheimer has written for the UK’s Daily Mail:
See http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5898575/Ethel-Kennedy-treated-immigrant-servants-like-dogs-sources-say.html (“Ethel Kennedy’s hunger strike hypocrisy: Widow of RFK treated her immigrant servants ‘like dogs,’ slapped a South American maid for not understanding English and said ‘black people are stupid,’ book claims“); see also https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/07/30/illegal-immigration-the-solution-is-simple/#comment-14051 (“WE LOVE KIDS!“)
Ethel Kennedy is the titular head of the most disfunctional family in American history. If one has any doubts whatsoever, please read my article above and all of the comments beneath it.
After JFK’s death in Dallas, her husband RFK began an affair with JFK’s widow Jackie; and he had affairs with Marilyn Monroe and others.
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Godfather Actor Claims Marilyn Monroe Was Murdered By Robert Kennedy
The UK’s Daily Mail has reported:
See https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6764659/Godfather-actor-claims-Marilyn-Monroe-murdered-Robert-Kennedy.html (“Godfather actor claims Marilyn Monroe was murdered and Robert Kennedy was behind her killing because he didn’t want her to go public on her romps with JFK“) (emphasis added)
After JFK’s death in Dallas, RFK began an affair with JFK’s widow Jackie; and he had affairs with Marilyn Monroe and others.
See, e.g., https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/john-f-kennedy-the-most-despicable-president-in-american-history/#comment-8956 (“Ethel Kennedy Knew Husband Bobby Had Affair With Widow Jackie Kennedy“)
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The Kennedy Curse Continues, Unabated
Valerie Edwards has written in the UK’s Daily Mail:
See https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7314495/The-Kennedy-Curse-death-Saoirse-Kennedy-just-latest-tragedy-political-dynasty.html (“The Kennedy Curse: How death of Saoirse Kennedy at age 22 is just the latest tragedy for a political dynasty gripped by assassination and scandal“) (emphasis added); see also https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7312499/Young-woman-dies-paramedics-called-Kennedy-Compound-possible-overdose.html (“Young woman dies after paramedics were called to Kennedy Compound for a ‘possible overdose'”)
As discussed in my article above, and in the extensive comments beneath it, the “Kennedy Curse” is a consistent thread that runs through the Kennedy family, and tragically never seems to end.
The listing in the Daily Mail article above is merely a partial description of the “Kennedy Curse,” which has afflicted what is surely the most dysfunctional family ever to achieve significant political power in American history.
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The Kennedys Are Evil Wackos
[Robert F. Kennedy with Marilyn Monroe, his mistress and his brother John F. Kennedy’s mistress]
Chris Spargo has reported for the UK’s Daily Mail:
See https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7456521/Robert-F-Kennedy-assassinated-Thane-Eugene-Cesar-Sirhan-Sirhan-says-RFK-Jr.html (“Robert F Kennedy was assassinated by Thane Eugene Cesar, declares RFK Jr, who says it was the security guard who fatally shot his father from behind after planning the murder with Sirhan Sirhan“) (emphasis added); see also https://naegeleblog.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/john-f-kennedy-the-most-despicable-president-in-american-history/#comment-2873 (“It Runs In The Family: RFK, Jr., Like His Grandfather Joseph P., His Father Bobby, And His Uncles Jack And Teddy“) and http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2690770/RFK-Jrs-wife-discovered-kept-list-40-suspected-mistresses-cell-phone-including-bride-Cheryl-Hines-just-weeks-killed-herself.html (“RFK Jr’s wife ‘discovered he kept a list of more than 40 suspected mistresses on his cell phone including bride-to-be Cheryl Hines just weeks before she killed herself’“)
His father died on June 6, 1968. Only now does this moron disclose such a theory. Wow!
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At Best, John F. Kennedy Was Trailer Trash
Tom Leonard has written for the UK’s Daily Mail:
See https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8102713/JFK-conga-line-concubines.html (“JFK and his conga line of concubines: Aide notes from his 1960 election trail reveal how terrified the US President was of his insatiable sex drive being exposed“) (emphasis added; video omitted)
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Did Marilyn Monroe Abort John F. Kennedy Or Robert F. Kennedy’s Baby Before Taking Her Own Life? [UPDATED}
This is the title of an article by Fred Lawrence Guiles in the Daily Beast, which states:
See https://www.thedailybeast.com/did-marilyn-monroe-abort-john-f-kennedy-or-robert-f-kennedys-baby-before-taking-her-own-life (emphasis added); see also https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8256915/Marilyn-Monroe-aborted-child-shortly-trysts-JFK-RFK-weeks-died.html (“Marilyn Monroe ‘aborted a child shortly after trysts with JFK and RFK’ weeks before she died“) and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_of_Marilyn_Monroe (“Death of Marilyn Monroe” on August 4, 1962)
And the “Kennedy Curse” continues, without end.
See, e.g., https://people.com/politics/kennedy-granddaughter-maeve-mckean-accidentally-drowned-with-son/ (“Cause of Death Revealed for Kennedy Granddaughter Who Had Vanished in Canoe Accident with Son“)
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I’m superrrrr late but this blog is the best thing since sliced bread! Hope everyone is safe. Happy 2021.
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Welcome, and thank you!
Stay well and safe yourself, and your loved ones.
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See https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9935921/JFKs-secret-mistress-breaks-silence-60-years.html (“Mistress reveals her four-year affair with JFK and compares him to Harvey Weinstein: Psychotherapist, 83, says president ‘singled her out’ as a student and promised her ‘fame and fortune'”)
There is no question that JFK was and is the most despicable President in American history.
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Is Seymour Hersh Correct Now Too?
See https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11727691/U-S-carried-Nord-Stream-bomb-attack-secret-plan-led-Joe-Biden-report-claims.html (“Did Biden give the order to destroy Putin’s Nord Stream pipeline after Ukraine invasion? Bombshell report claims Navy divers carried out mission to kill Russia’s gas stranglehold on Europe in audacious mission overseen by president”)
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Seymour Hersh was right on JFK and he is right on Nordstream. Read his book The Dark Side of Camelot and you will know LBJ murdered JFK.
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Thank you, Robert. Yes, Hersh’s book is excellent, which I have discussed in my article above.
And Lyndon Johnson was a criminal, whose tragic effects remain with us today. Families suffer because of the loss and maiming of loved ones in the Vietnam War.
LBJ’s “Great Society” programs destroyed black families and consigned them to economic servitude. Like Barack Obama and Joe Biden, Johnson was and continues to be a tragic figure in American history.
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In the index of the Dark Side of Camelot, look up “Hy Raskin” and you will see LBJ blackmailed his way onto the 1960 Demo ticket. Look up “Burkett van Kirk” and you will see the Kennedys were 100% trying to destroy Lyndon Johnson in the fall of 1963. LBJ was acutely aware of these “destroy Johnson” efforts and that led directly to the events of Dallas.
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Again, thank you, Robert.
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Camelot Is Dead . . .
But this befuddled moron doesn’t realize it yet.
See https://thepoliticalinsider.com/another-democrat-challenger-for-biden-robert-f-kennedy-jr-launches-2024-presidential-exploratory-committee/ (“Another Democrat Challenger For Biden? Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Launches 2024 Presidential Exploratory Committee”)
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Kennedy was withdrawing US advisers per National Security Action Memorandum 263. Ascribing the war to him is part of the post-assassination character assassination. You are Seymour Hersh version 2.0. Personal does not supplant the overarching evil of the 1963 coup to continue the Cold War and the permawar status oppressing the world today.
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Thank you for your comments.
There was nothing positive about John F. Kennedy, except the speeches written for him by Ted Sorensen. Indeed, as I’ve written, few Americans will remember him in the future.
Those who do should be incensed by his nonstop abuse of women. He makes Jeffrey Epstein and Harvey Weinstein seem like “saints” by comparison.
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Is RFK, Jr. Correct About JFK’s Assassination?
See https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12063661/RFK-Jr-doubles-allegation-CIA-involved-JFKs-assassination.html (“‘It was a 60 year cover up’: Democratic presidential candidate RFK Jr. repeats allegation that the CIA was involved in assassination of his uncle JFK in 1963”)
Kareng from Charleston,
South Carolina commented on MailOnline:
“After learning what the FBI and CIA did to protect the Bidens, it would not surprise me if what Kennedy said is the truth.”
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12063661/RFK-Jr-doubles-allegation-CIA-involved-JFKs-assassination.html?ito=twitter_share_comment_text#comments
Will RFK, Jr. so weaken brain-addled Joe Biden’s candidacy that he produces the “Ross Perot effect,” and Donald Trump’s reelection as our President becomes inevitable?
See also https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/polling/trump-hits-60-gop-primary-poll-moving-41-points-ahead-desantis (“Trump hits 60% in GOP primary poll, moving 41 points ahead of DeSantis”)
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